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Posted August 13th, 2004 - 3:06 pm by from Dresden, Germany (Permalink)
Hello and welcome! It is interesting to see that Couchsurfing is copying more and more of our ideas - this Groups feature is just the next one. Anyway, we are happy about everyone who exchanges hospitality, meets locals when traveling, carries the idea further. Make sure you check out www.hospitalityclub.org and see the original for yourself :-)

Greetings from Germany,

Veit

Posted August 13th, 2004 - 11:12 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
Sorry Veit!
although There is a Group feature on HC and CS I don't understand how you can compare these two features - they are as different as bananas and cucumber, maybe a color blind person will think they are the same but the taste is quite different - not possible to compare, some people like bananas more and others prefer cucumber but one is a vegetable and the other one a fruit - so please don't mix that...
I would be careful with the word copying - SERVAS also does not point to HC saying they are copying their idea.
There have been groups on other websites before and the Group feature on CS is nearly three months old - when have you introduced groups to HC?
Are you not interested in a respectful coexistence of HC and CS?

Posted July 29th, 2005 - 3:45 am by from Mexico City, Mexico (Permalink)
i totally agree!!
don`t fight men!!!
or i`ll quite both!!
jajajaj

Posted September 28th, 2004 - 12:11 pm by from San Francisco, United States (Permalink)
It's so sad, Veit, that you spend so much time bagging on CS. You talk about spreading the idea of hospitality and a world peace but hate all over the CouchSurfing site. So sad to see from a guy I admired.

Posted November 5th, 2004 - 2:44 pm by from Cairns, Australia (Permalink)
Not one to normally get involved in such things, I just couldn't hold back any longer.

Veit, I have been watching your presence here on Couchsurfing with great interest over recent months. You spread jealousy and spite, and it makes me wonder what you are in this game for after all. Obviously nothing to do with hospitality and goodwill, understanding and bringing people together.

It's only fair you should know that due to the nasty attitude you are displaying here in Couchsurfing, I have completely stopped promoting, recommending or mentioning your site to anyone I meet. I suggest for the sake of your own reputation and credibility, you stop acting like a spoilt child and rethink what you have smeared all over this friendly site. Bear in mind that the administrators of Couchsurfing have allowed you to continue putting sh*t all over them, which is a courtesy I personally would not have afforded you, and I'm sure you would not afford to others in your own website.

Just in case you think this is some kind of invitation to swap a lengthy and increasingly nonsensical series of emails like the last time you and I were in communication, it isn't. This is some constructive criticism that should be taken as such. You, as a fellow webmaster, should have more respect than to come into someone else's home (their website) and behave this way.

Think about it.

Steve Savage

Posted November 15th, 2004 - 2:49 am by from Nancy, France (Permalink)
Steve, not discussing the basis for your action, but I think it would be even more significant if you quit using Hospitality Club to get accommodation as well.

Posted November 15th, 2004 - 6:29 am from Berlin, Germany
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Posted November 15th, 2004 - 6:53 am by from Nancy, France (Permalink)
Well, I just meant that if Steve wanted his boycott to have a serious impact, then he should actually make it a total boycott.

Take an example outside the world of hospitality exchange: I don't like the Gap "philosophy" and I'm making a fuss about it, but I still think they have good-looking clothes. Shall I buy those clothes anyway? Depends how serious I want to look.

Posted November 15th, 2004 - 7:00 am from Berlin, Germany
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Posted November 17th, 2004 - 9:17 am by from Cairns, Australia (Permalink)
Valmi, how could you be so confident that I HAVEN'T stopped using HC?

Anyway, I never said I was boycotting anything, just that when faced with a decision of which group(s) to recommend, I have been less and less likely to recommend HC, due to the spiteful actions of some HC members/moderators within Couchsurfing.

But talking about looking serious, how serious would I look if I joined HC, just to write negative comments about HC all over their own site, like "I don't know why anyone would want to start this site" when I have just joined it. I wouldn't look very serious at all, I guess.

Steve

Posted November 17th, 2004 - 7:27 am by from Santiago, Chile (Permalink)
I like the amount of members that you find in HC, but I love the features of CS.

Like Marcus said, it's not possible to compare and it will be great if the two projects could support and promote each other. With more options the users of this communities will get even better proposals from both projects.

Posted November 17th, 2004 - 5:15 pm by from Helsinki, Finland (Permalink)

It's not about the money or the glory, right? so, what's all the fighting about?

If I come up with the idea of doing good unto other people, and my idea gets "copied", shouldn't I be glad about this? Ok, maybe this other person does good in their own way, but it would still be following an example I gave them that equally benefits people around the world.

There are thing I like better about CS, and there are things I like better about HC. HOWEVER, I've been asked for accomodation through both places, so maybe I'm way off, but I don't see anyone getting hurt over this, as I see it, more people are benefitting from the fact that I have a place to offer them, and that's what everybody's goal here is supposed to be.

So, let it be all about the love! (ewww, did that sound too hippy? cos I'm not, but it really IS!)

Peace! (eww, there I go again)

Duke

Posted November 18th, 2004 - 9:49 pm by from Cairns, Australia (Permalink)
Sorry, didn't mean to bring negative vibes. I guess I get a bit defensive when I se an 'us and them' mentality starting to form. I will be full of love from now on. I have stayed with a lot of wonderful Couchsurfers, and a lot of fantastic people from HC. I look forward to meeting many more from each group (and the other groups I belong to) and hopefully taking my turn at being a host when I grow up and settle down :)

Cheers,
Steve

Posted October 13th, 2005 - 9:15 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
thanks for the commion sense.
me personally i think everone should just chill out. i dont like this whole HC V's CS shit, its bullshit. we should just let Veit and Casey deal with their shit (their own way)and everyone just stay the hell out and stop making the situation worse than it is. ur like a bunch of old ladies or young school girls, just getting eachother more and more pissed off. i think this is going to escalate quite a lot more if everyone with a bullshit negative comment puts their 2 cents in(me including), and then guess who looses out??

anyway children, ladies and gentleman, i propose 2 solutions,

1.a mass CS/HC Orgy-to spread the love.

2. Mass Suicide-

laters

Posted October 13th, 2005 - 9:36 pm by from Padova, Italy (Permalink)
Hehe.. I didn't read the other posts, but.. GREAT I liked this reply!! ;o)


Posted October 13th, 2005 - 11:46 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
HC is not a dating site, although there is a picture in the Monnai gallery of you staring at Pierre's cows in a strange way.

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 8:02 am by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
Kurt, is that the only pic with me concerning a cow? i was kinda worried someone might have got me on camera doing something intimate with one of the cows, i named her daisy, she was the handicapped one remember. such sweet sweet memories of the french countryside, ahhhh

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 7:54 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hi Hussein and Lucio,

Sorry but I don't really agree with your funny post.

Maybe you can accept to be part of an organisation which do not repect the basic of expression rights, which pratices censorship, ... but from my side, it difficult to admit and to accept that and I will always continue to try to improve the level of democracy.

I start my hospitality experience with Servas, which is 1st a peace organisation (and not a service website travel organsation) which decides to use the travel as a tool to promote the peace idea. This is a big difference with all the other hospitality networks based on the web. Servas has a democratic organisation and decisions are taken by vote... not just by one person or by a very limit group of devoted-to-the-leader persons.

When I joined HC, I enjoyed it a lot and after some experiences and discussions with travellers, I start trying to improve the website by sending some idea's.

At that time, the big discussion turns around the renewing of the membership. Indeed, I hosted many HC travellers who complains about the fact that they are sending tons of emails and receive so few replies. So, I contacted Veit and ask him why he does not set up (it's technicaly really easy) a mandatory renewal of the membership. Like this you can really easily clean up the list and you're sure to have real members. I also start discussing this on the HC forum where of course I was censored (because this topic seems to be classified under 'strategy'). This was just refused by Veit. Why ? Because the goal of Veit is to become the biggest... why not, HC is his toy... but personnaly, I prefer to work in a democratic organisation as Servas (I'm Servas interviewer for Brussels area). I like also very much CS because of this forum which is a prove that here, you have the right to have your opinion and the express it.

So, in conclusion, this discussion is not so stupid as you seems to think. It's not against a person or against an organisation. I'm "fighting" (in a peace way... with words only !) against non-democratic attitudes. Maybe we have to learn from the past that we cannot accept everything and sometimes we have to say I don't agree with censorship, with pre-moderating... I want to have more rights than just choosing between a website design in 2 or 3 columns.

Olivier.

PS. Sorry for my really bad english... as you can imagine, it's not my mother tong.

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 8:30 am by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
now why in gods name did u have to mention me by name, now i feel obligated to use my infinite wisdom(as well as the bulshit) and make a reply to what u have just said.

first off ur english is pretty good, grammatically its better than mine and its my mother tongue, anyway enough of sweet talk.

i have several points to make to u, but in doing so i fear i may loose my impression of neutrality., because believe me i like both sites equally, when i talk about the sites to people i always recomend both.

Point 1: I do accept to be part of an organization, which may or may not use censorship. the thing is, whether there is censorship or not is irrelevant, what is relevant is that I choose to be a part of it. no one is forcing me, or u to stay with HC, u can leave if u wish. however in leaving what have u gained?? and what have u lost? i guess u have gained the oppurtunity to leave a group that sensors ur posts, what have u lost? u pesonally probably not much, however countless people have lost the oppurtunity to meet u, hang out with u or anyhting, u have basically just gone totally aguianst the idea of hospitality exchange. anyway




point 2: You Said "At that time, the big discussion turns around the renewing of the membership. Indeed, I hosted many HC travellers who complains about the fact that they are sending tons of emails and receive so few replies. So, I contacted Veit and ask him why he does not set up (it's technicaly really easy) a mandatory renewal of the membership. Like this you can really easily clean up the list and you're sure to have real members"

Now it stands to reason that if i am going to ask someone to host me, the least i can do is actually look and read their profile, u know at least give them that much credtit. and if u were to do this, u would probably take a look at their last loginn, both sites have these displayed. now it seems to me the only people who will have the problem of writing several emails and not getting a reply would be those that did not bother to take 2 minutes out of their time to check theeir profiles and login dates. if u emailed 10 people who had their last login with in 30 days i guarantee u would probably get 7 out of 10 replies, whetehr its from HC or CS., however if u email 10 people whos last login was a year ago, then its more than likeley u would get zero replies, but it is a good point, but also un-neccesary if u acually read their profiles.
why HC doesent require is probably the same reason CS doesent require it. both have their own babies, both want it to grow, none want it to become smaller, its common sense. u r more likely to have people sign up if u have more members, not in comparrison to eachother but just in general.
point 3.

i still think we should have a mass suicide, any one interested in joining me can sign sign up in my suicidal group.

peace out olivier

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 8:31 am by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
now why in gods name did u have to mention me by name, now i feel obligated to use my infinite wisdom(as well as the bulshit) and make a reply to what u have just said.

first off ur english is pretty good, grammatically its better than mine and its my mother tongue, anyway enough of sweet talk.

i have several points to make to u, but in doing so i fear i may loose my impression of neutrality., because believe me i like both sites equally, when i talk about the sites to people i always recomend both.

Point 1: I do accept to be part of an organization, which may or may not use censorship. the thing is, whether there is censorship or not is irrelevant, what is relevant is that I choose to be a part of it. no one is forcing me, or u to stay with HC, u can leave if u wish. however in leaving what have u gained?? and what have u lost? i guess u have gained the oppurtunity to leave a group that sensors ur posts, what have u lost? u pesonally probably not much, however countless people have lost the oppurtunity to meet u, hang out with u or anyhting, u have basically just gone totally aguianst the idea of hospitality exchange. anyway




point 2: You Said "At that time, the big discussion turns around the renewing of the membership. Indeed, I hosted many HC travellers who complains about the fact that they are sending tons of emails and receive so few replies. So, I contacted Veit and ask him why he does not set up (it's technicaly really easy) a mandatory renewal of the membership. Like this you can really easily clean up the list and you're sure to have real members"

Now it stands to reason that if i am going to ask someone to host me, the least i can do is actually look and read their profile, u know at least give them that much credtit. and if u were to do this, u would probably take a look at their last loginn, both sites have these displayed. now it seems to me the only people who will have the problem of writing several emails and not getting a reply would be those that did not bother to take 2 minutes out of their time to check theeir profiles and login dates. if u emailed 10 people who had their last login with in 30 days i guarantee u would probably get 7 out of 10 replies, whetehr its from HC or CS., however if u email 10 people whos last login was a year ago, then its more than likeley u would get zero replies, but it is a good point, but also un-neccesary if u acually read their profiles.
why HC doesent require is probably the same reason CS doesent require it. both have their own babies, both want it to grow, none want it to become smaller, its common sense. u r more likely to have people sign up if u have more members, not in comparrison to eachother but just in general.
point 3.

i still think we should have a mass suicide, any one interested in joining me can sign sign up in my suicidal group.

peace out olivier

Posted November 23rd, 2007 - 12:29 pm from Brussels, Belgium
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Posted February 22nd, 2005 - 5:11 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hi ColoniaSummer,

As you I'm really happy to host travellers from HC, CS, Servas, GlobalFreeLoaders, ... but I'm really disappointed by Veit's attitude witch is far away from the value I have.

Last example, I regularly participate in the HC forum. And, as you know when you even mention then name of another hospitality network on the HC forum, your post is edited or deleted... so, some of my posts was deleted (I cannot already accept this idea... but it's not the most important). After posting some message and getting no reply, I wonder if it's normal or not. So, I asked to other member to check if they see my post... and surprise, they cannot saw them !

So, can you believe that in a peace organisation they setup some profile in way that people continue to post and they don't know that nobody can read their posts !!!

Of course, I send a mail to the HC volunteer team asking them if it's a bug or a planned programming thing... but none of them was enough couragous to give me a reply.

Is it normal for a 'briging people together' organisation to edit or delete message when you mention the name of another hospitality network ? Are we in capitalist world where the other organisation is supposed to be an ennemi ? It seems to be the idea of Veit. I prefer to consider that each organisation can learn from each other and that every member has the right to criticise openly the system !

On top of this, if you critisice too much the HC system and you want to help to make it better... so, if you ask to become a volunteer (I tried for months and months), you are refused... Veit considered me as 'untrustable'... I hosted more than 50 HC members and receive always positive comments... but in the eyes of Veit, I'm untrustable... I translate that like this: I want to help to improve HC and I will never hide the reality or what I think but I refuse to become a little soldier following the orders given by a dictator... if it's what Veit calls being untrustable, then yes, I can accept the definition.

I'm still HC member and I will continue to enjoy hosting people and discussing HC policy and strategy in a face to face mode with them !

I hope that one day I will be able to discuss also with Veit in face to face...

;-)))

Have a nice day.

Olivier.
Belgium, Brussels !

PS. Following informations I received from other HC members, I'm not the only one who has been banned in this 'hidden' way from the HC forum... so, the censorship army is working... take care, guys !

Posted March 6th, 2005 - 11:44 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
cheerio
nice to see you having an argument about nothing.
just take it sportif, enjoy that there is someone trying to make it a competition having the better site.
everybody knows that there is a different approach to every site set up, and that you can not compare these two sites. have fun, use the features you best like, and just stop all those arguing.
have fun
take care
johannes

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Posted March 6th, 2005 - 9:24 pm by from Dresden, Germany (Permalink)
Hm, interesting to read:

> But how to bring piece till Viet stop his gutless fight!

Especially after I havent posted here for almost 7 months...:-)

Anyway, you might be happy to hear that Casey and I are on pretty good terms since we talked on the phone for quite some time a few months back. I edited my profile a lot (check it out) and havent really participated in any CS debates.

I am not happy about other large hospitality exchange sites and have and will make this clear again and again, because I believe that it is a waste of resources and the idea of hospitality exchange will suffer. Read my profile for the full reasons.

Yes, sometimes I overreact, sometimes I might seem aggressive and I apologize for that. It's because I see the negative consequences for hospitality exchange in general. And there were some additional issues that got me really upset with CS.

BTW - as for the Groups: I do that whichever community I join (check out my Orkut communities), it's just a convenient way of keeping track what interests me.

Talking about mentioning HC on CS - wanna know where I first found out about CS? Look here:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/www.hospitalityclub.org/
That was when CS had around 150 members (see here, archive.org from Jan 02, 2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20040102061935/http://www.couchsurfing.com/
(we had 8500 members and a fully developed site then)

Oh, and if you wanna put me down again for including http://www.hospitalityclub.org anywhere, check this page out as well: http://caseyfenton.stumbleupon.com/

Enough about the past, everyone makes mistakes, just wanted to give you a little background here so you understand my actions better.

Anyway, I guess whatever I say, for a few people it doesnt really matter. Continue with the Veit-bashing and have fun! :-)


====
Oh, and here my favourite quotes:
"maybe a color blind person will think they are the same"

" You talk about spreading the idea of hospitality and a world peace but hate all over the CouchSurfing site."

"You spread jealousy and spite"

"stop acting like a spoilt child and rethink what you have smeared all over this friendly site"

"the administrators of Couchsurfing have allowed you to continue putting sh*t all over them"

"bring piece till Viet stop his gutless fight"

"it's only Viet's gutless war that he has lost"

"there is somebody greedy disposed to use dishonest means? ...I think such people ware very dangerous in the history!"

Posted August 9th, 2005 - 2:42 pm by from Singapore, Singapore (Permalink)
Hei Veit! :)

I have nothing against You or Your politics atm (coz that's the thing I never wanted to be involved), but I have one simple question, where I would like to hear an answer:

Why posts in hc forum are censored? Why texts are deleted? Could You please give me an answer with Your opinion to this question?

Posted October 12th, 2005 - 10:51 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted October 13th, 2005 - 6:25 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
your post is as arrogant as veit's orignal in this thread. HC is here to stay as many people prefer HC over couchsurfing and vice versa.

Posted October 13th, 2005 - 10:27 pm from Sydney, Australia
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Posted October 13th, 2005 - 10:42 pm by from San Francisco, United States (Permalink)
I agree - it's silly to bicker. That's not what any of these organizations were intended for.

On a side note, I'm weary of hearing about HC "having the numbers". Let them have them! The reason I don't bother using HC much is that while they have almost 3 times the membership numbers as CS I still have to send out 5 times the number of requests to get a response.

I'm still a big fan of the global hospitality idea that all of these websites promote. And I'm an active member of them all. Since I usually don't have the time to send more messages to more people on HC, wait for the "spam filters" to send them out, and hope a few of the active members actually write me back I tend to stick to CouchSurfing. Of course HC has MANY loyal members (many who have contributed to this post because they too are interested in all of the websites and I can find them here) but the community as a whole is stronger on CS. I've been using both of these sites constantly for almost two years and have a good feel for them now. Anyway, stop it with the numbers. Would you rather have quantity or quality?

Posted October 20th, 2005 - 10:04 am by from Cairns, Australia (Permalink)
"while (HC) have almost 3 times the membership numbers as CS I still have to send out 5 times the number of requests to get a response."

Exactly my experience, Jim. And on the other side of things, friends of mine who are members of both groups receive FAR MORE requests for accommodation through CS than through HC. Strange, since HC has many more members, no?

In fact, there's something that's been gnawing at me for months now. When you search for accommodation in HC, you come across hundreds... no, THOUSANDS!... of completely empty profiles. Just a user name and a zip code. NO ADDRESS, NO DATE OF BIRTH, NO INTERESTS OR HOBBIES, NO "MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS".... NOTHING!! NOT EVEN A GENDER!!

Now, what sort of person would join a hospitality exchange group, and tell NOTHING AT ALL about themselves? This seems impossible to explain...

...or is the answer very simple??

Posted October 20th, 2005 - 4:10 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted October 20th, 2005 - 4:36 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
why are you a member of this group to begin with? I don't care to read about people bashing HC (example: goodbye to the orginal) and all you are doing is pushing this HC vs. CS crap. Do me a favor and stop or go do it somewhere else where I don't have to see it.





Posted October 20th, 2005 - 6:36 pm by from Cairns, Australia (Permalink)
"Why am I a member of this group?" Because I'm also a member of Hospitalityclub, and have made some great new friends through both groups. But that doesn't mean I approve of the way some things are being done. And I am a member of this group so I can have my say on the subjects being discussed, obviously. Just like everyone else, yourself included, can have their say.

"Somewhere else where you don't have to see it?" Unless I'm mistaken, you don't 'have to see it' here. Just don't read it.

Cheers to all my friends in HC and CS!!

Steve


Posted October 20th, 2005 - 10:43 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
now now kurtey babey, calm down
i still think we should have a mass suicide or mass orgy

anyway thats just me.
on a serious note, this thread was posted over a year ago, and it seems everyone forgot about it till mikkey mouth sent some comment having nothing to do with this thread. now u see what u started mikkey? if u would have just started a new thread, i know i would never have been brought in to this conversation and u guys would have been spared my rather lame ass comments. why complete strangers are arguing(not even debating) about something like this, (although amusing) really isnt what new members or old members wanna be seeing.
anyway theres my 2 cents again, well maybe 1 cent
now if people would stop posting messages about this subject, guess what?? u wont have to read the crap that goes through my head
laters all

p.s- kurt- u can come to the suicide, but ur not invited to the orgy, sorry bro, u had ur chance with me in monnai and u aint getting another


Posted October 20th, 2005 - 10:47 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
i appear to have misread and made a mistke, mikkey, ur comment was relevant to the thread, so i apologize

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Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 12:46 am by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
Take into account that all you are doing is isolating yourself from meeting people who care or prefer HC. I sure would not want to meet you with the attitude you have. When Casey attended the HC camp in Monnai he didn't promote CS or bash HC. I am going to assume he went to meet new people. Sure you can have your opinion on the way things are run, but to bash an entire site which many people are apart of is not the way to voice your thoughts. If I went and joined one of the couchsurfing promotional groups and listed things I don't like about couchsurfing and went on to bash the whole site while promoting HC I would come off as a complete ass. Learn to be tolerant, there are great people in both organizations.

kurt

Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 11:51 am by from London, England (Permalink)
Hi Kurt,

As you put it so nicely: "If I went and joined one of the couchsurfing promotional groups and listed things I don't like about couchsurfing and went on to bash the whole site while promoting HC I would come off as a complete ass."

Funny. Wasn't that EXACTLY what someone called "Veit" did???!

And to everybody else:

Personally I think we all should follow Casey & Co's example and ignore all those nutters and "complete asses" and just use the networks as best as we can.
This whole arguement was all started and caused by that guy Veit (& is partly continued by some of his reps, it seems), I suggest to all of you out there NOT to allow yourself to be drawn into this silliness and just get on with your lives. It's short enough (life) as it is!

And one suggestion in terms of how to deal with HC: I now just tell people on HC (who contact me) that if they want to know about any alternatives for accommodation to write to my direct email address. It's one way to stick two fingers up to all those wannabe censors.

Good luck everybody; enjoy travelling & meeting people & ignore the unpleasant rest!
I'm not a pacifist but I like that saying "What if there was a war & nobody turned up?" :-)

all the best

Inés




Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 3:54 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
Just because Veit did it doesn't excuse everyone else from doing the same. Hopefully people are above it.

Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 8:10 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
hey kurt, just curious as to when u became os pholosophical and intellectual, and there was me getting it all wrong. u see i just figured u for a drunk, sorry man, my bad :)

anyway, glad u refered to me as a friend on that post about the cs meeting in seattle on the HC forum the other day. does that mean we are friends or were u trying to sound cool by saying it was ur friends throwing the party??
still love u,always and forever
XXXXX


Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 8:36 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
Wait first off you are going to have to explain to me what "pholosophical" means. Second I am a drunk, out drinking the hcpf is no light task. Also with the friends part, I was talking about Ryan. Normally I would talk about the party to seem cool, but in this case I was just helping a friend as I've already hosted her and she knows how cool I am. Good luck with the meeting, if some chance we are traveling towards the west at the beginning of December I will be there for sure.

Take it easy,
kurt

Posted November 2nd, 2005 - 8:46 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
How the fuck do i know what philosophical means, i just used it coz i thought it would make me sound intelligent and smart. so i guess u got me on that one---dam u kurt
on ur second point about talking about ryan and not me, u specifically said a couple of my friends(COUPLE-meaning more than one-meaning me as well as ryan)
u like me dont u kurt?? come on admit it to the world, plz
yeh hopefully it will go well, but even if it doesent, a bottle of vodka and tequilla and i guarantee i will have fun,
yeh u should definitley try coming, it would be fun to see u again, and by the way, u r wrong, it is a very light task to out drink the hcpf, even i can keep up with some of them, believe me anyone can.

laters man

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:23 am from Cluj-Napoca, Romania
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:39 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
"this Veit guy just copied the ideea from cultural exchanges btw schools and highschool from diffrent coutries that have a relation btw and students host other students from other country and so on"

Starting from 1949, Servas is a peace organisation which built an hospitalty network to promote his peace idea's. HC was one of the first Web-based hospitality network. Veit himself mentionned that he took a lot of idea from Servas. He often said he improve it by using modern technology (web).

The goal of this reply is not to promote Servas, HC, Globalfreeloaders, CouchSurfing, ... it's just to correct your idea that HC copied only the university networks.

Have a nice peace day !

Olivier, Belgium, Brussels.

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 12:41 pm from Cluj-Napoca, Romania
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 3:13 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
Congrats on being another person not able to be above childish crap. To correct you also the chatroom of HC is irc based and it is not censored at all. If you are concerned with people not using their real names don't look for E.T. here on couchsurfing because then it's off to the next hospitality network.

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 9:05 pm from Cluj-Napoca, Romania
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:45 pm by from New Orleans, United States (Permalink)
Wrong again, many members have a link to their couchsurfing profile. Some others that are upset with the censorship have put in their profile summary, that shows up in searches, information about couchsurfing. Maybe things were different in the past, but things are probably going to change if I had to guess. The reason they are doing this is because they don't want to be cut off from members that are only apart of one of the organizations. Maybe you and everyone else should think about this also.

Posted March 7th, 2005 - 4:12 pm by from Munich, Germany (Permalink)
hello everybody,
i really think this whole fight does not make much sense! i´m a member of hc as well and i´m glad that there are several free accomodation-sites on the web, as sometimes u get no replies if u write to hc members...look, even though hc existed before cs, there is no reason to spread bad word about cs. there are so many people in this world, it can happen that 2 of them got the same idea. i do not understand veits opinion, is he scared of not being the best/ largest anymore? this is nonsense, as much as this whole fight is! peaceful coexistence of cultures nowadays already seems to have to start on the internet...and i think this is what we all should stick to. btw i do not think that its ok to compare veit to persons of german history, just because he is german! this is just as much disrespectful as veits behaviour might have been. PEACE GUYS!

Posted March 7th, 2005 - 4:27 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hi Anne,

Thanks for your peacefull message...

As you I think it's stupid to apply competitive rules in the hospitality network field...

I'm also happy that several hospitality network exists.

Just one point, for your information, the oldest and still working hospitality network is Servas. This is 1st a peace organisation which decides to use the travel as a tool to promote peace and mutual understanding.

;-)))

Have a nice day and hope to meet you soon in Brussels !

Olivier.

Posted March 9th, 2005 - 2:13 am from Frechen, Germany
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Posted April 1st, 2005 - 11:57 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted April 2nd, 2005 - 6:41 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
yes!!!;-)

Posted April 4th, 2005 - 6:25 pm by from Warsaw, Poland (Permalink)
I've just joined to this group and truly saying I couldn't stop reading posted massages. The discussion involve me in spite of I know that this argue haven't any sense ( A T A L L). I think that for most members it's completaly not important what's copied... what was first, what was the last etc... Everybody just chose this what is the best for them.
I do not agree that it's bad for hospitality if there are to many sites. First I signed up to CS, and thanks to it I was told about HC. If not CS probably I'd never signed up to HC becouse I wouldn't know about.
I agree with someone (don't remember who have writen it here) that there are some better things in HC and some better things in CS.
I''ve met great people through both sites (few from CS, few HC, a lot from both). If there had been just one site, lots of probably I would have never met!
So once again: the quarrel is completaly pointless!!!! more over this quarrel can be danger for hospitality exchange and for all ideas conected with!!!!

Posted April 4th, 2005 - 8:17 pm by from Fairfax, United States (Permalink)
:) I'm proud to say that our group here in Helsinki is associated with T H R E E* organizations of this kind, plus activity on the Skype network -- must go back to our early days on IRC. When I recommend one, I recommend them all, because how do *I* know which one will suit the person best? And if they also join all three, that's cool :)

* who out there is participating in four? :)

Competition may have some good effects, like spurring each other to keep improving for a target group. Since we *can* be members of multiple groups, I don't think it does any harm, if we'd just be nice to each other about it. And forgiving, too, because I suspect we all have some oversensitive area :)

I find that one organization can be better for European destinations, another for American, and one of those (I forget which is which) better for Asian destinations. So we can enjoy them all :)

I wish you all the best :)
EB

p.s. Funny :) Our young adults' group here in Helsinki is international *and* inter-denominational :)

Posted April 5th, 2005 - 2:18 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hello Andrzej,

As you I'm always sad when I see personal fighting. As you I think that all hospitality organisations (Servas, Couchsurfing, HospitalityClub, Stay4Free, GlobalFreeLoaders, TravelHoo, ...) can learn from each other and at the same time stay specific.

But to give you an example, I'm considered as an "aggresive" member (just by post... not aggresive with my hosts !!!) by some HC volunteer. So, I was put in "pre-moderated" mode on the HC forum. Pre-moderated means that all your posts are read before being published and if the volunteer don't agree with what I write he can edit, modify or delete my post. You say it's normal if you writted something bad... like for example racist text or something like this. But I never publish any non legal things... you want to know why I was put in this censored mode ? Because I mention the name of other hospitality network in my post. To give you a clear example, if I write a sentence like the following: 'Hello xxx, you mention a problem about empty profile. As a Servas member, we do this and this to solve this problem'... my message is considered as unacceptable. I even do no publicity for Servas. I never write something like: please, come and join Servas... no, no... Do you think it's a normal attitude from people who are supposed to drive a 'bringing people together' association ?

More funny about this is that you are authorized to post a message with a sentence like this one: 'Hi, I work for IBM and they developped a tool which can be usefull...'. So, it means that mentioning a private capitalist company like IBM or other is fully accepted in HC forum but mentionning Servas, Couchsurfing, GlobalFreeLoarders, ... are not.

Again more funny, this present post start with a post from Veit where he did exactly what is supposed to be forbidden on HC. 'Check out the original'... Why not, very good idea to inform CouchSurfing member about HC but then I think that the mimimum of respect is to allowed it on both side.

In conclusion, I repeat that my purpose is not to attack someone or some organisation. I'm really happy to be part of all these Hospitality Networks and I will continue to promote all of them around me. We had a lot of great experiences with all our guests (coming from CS, HC, GFL, Stay4Free, TravelHoo, ...) I deeply believe that all hospitality networks can learn a lot from each other... but this can only happen in a democratic and transparent way. Censorship and punishment is not a good way to try to promote a "bringing people together" way of thinking.

I wish to all of you a nice day and hope to meet you one day or another when you will come to visit Brussels, Belgium and taste our beers and chocolates !

;-)))

Olivier.

Posted April 5th, 2005 - 2:40 pm by from Fairfax, United States (Permalink)
So nice that we are all human :) We can choose which faults we are willing to accept in other people :)

When I went to Brussels, I almost immediately bought some chocolates :) The experience of walking in a beautiful town with that wonderful flavor and texture melting in my mouth -- it was so overwhelming that I fell flat on my face :)

A very kind fish salesman, who was just beginning to set up his table, gave me a handful of ice. :) Among other things, I comforted myself with a visit to the museum of musical instruments =)


Posted May 26th, 2005 - 5:48 pm from Herve, Belgium
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Posted June 9th, 2005 - 4:37 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Hi Olivier (& everybody else)!
Just by chance I came across this discussion and am quite shocked - but not that surprised, by that guy from HC (was his name Vait or something?).
I wasn't that surprised by him, as his attitude and behaviour fits with my impression of the HC site. But a bit shocked still about his cheek and unspeakable arrogance and also in particular in terms of your experience of censorship on the HC site.
Well, censorship is nothing new in Germany, is it? (I grew up there - before fleeing into exile ;) years ago, so I know what I'm talking about!)
The reason why I also joined HC by the way (after having joined CS) was a) that you have to join first if you just want to have a proper look around on the site and b) yes, because they have more members (big deal!) as they have existed far longer.
But there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that CS is far better than HC. And it's not only the by far superior design of the CS site but also the whole attitude that comes across which is far friendlier, more generous in spirit and far more easy-going (well done, Casey and crew!!!).
And now - after having read these messages here - especially the ones from Vait, it just so totally proves my first impression and suspicions about HC!
Having said that, I do fully agree with all those members who are saying that in the end it doesn't matter on which of these websites someone is a member, as you'll have all kinds of different people on either site. And I have hosted some very nice people from both CS and HC.
But in terms of Vait ... what an arrogant and mean-spirited character! Just incredible!
Well, maybe we should just ignore his ranting, don't you think?
As to you, Olivier, well I don't know where the "aggressive" bit in you is supposed to be. ;)If anybody is being aggressive ... well, we all know who, don't we?!
Have a lovely day/evening everybody and keep smiling, no matter what! :)
Inés

Posted June 9th, 2005 - 5:40 pm by from Turku, Finland (Permalink)
i read some answer here.
personnally i dont care if hc or cs,gfl,stay4 free,travelhoo,abm,hotshower...its better to another one or wish one is original...patatipatata
i think the best its the answer you get when you want to get frend for beers in 1 town,or sleep for 1 night.
i do many another site,also for bikers,gay,even religious...and i alltime meet people with nice attitude.
even if iam not gay or religious.
i like cs,its not so many empty good looking.fast and you can put much pics.
hc its to administratif,too much empty profile .i think the guy want to keep them for its look full.pity its like a evidence and he dont realise.
but i found good frend in that side too.
voila that sit have to tell
good discusion.
eric

Posted June 9th, 2005 - 6:06 pm by from Eutin, Germany (Permalink)
Yeah, Veit, stop your gutless fight! Stop sending aggressive mails again and again and go back to the portals of hell, where you belong to! You are evil!

...eh...maybe we return to a more rational discussion...Please be careful, when you blame a person directly. I think some mails in this thread were really rude...Veit wrote two mails, the first one was an add, the second one the attempt to explain why he is against several Hopitalityclubs. Both mails were quite friendly, what I can't really say about some of the answers...

Of course it is childish to argue which one is the better Club. We all know, that in each club are nice people - of course. But I think the idea of one Hospitalityclub must be allowed. Maybe we should concentrate our debate on this point, instead of bashing one person. Let's share our visions and our pros and conts...Here are mine: Of course it's great, that everybody can make up his own club, his own toy - internet makes it possible. And we are all members in different clubs, HC, CS, GFL, stayfor free. I just saw another club: www.couchsurfing.de (not .net!) Maybe we have in ten years twenty big clubs or more. As one of this group said: One for Asia, one for America, one for Europe...or maybe also one for Gays, one for Lesbians, one for people with blond hair who likes to drive on a motorbike...Or just 20 clubs which have exactly the same aim (hospitality worldwide) but just a different design and some different features. Of course nobody wants to forbid that. We are all multi-cultural people who love our freedom.

On the other hand this development has MAYBE negative consequences. Maybe. When I speak with guests in my flat, most of them don't know about all the clubs. And if they know, they are not checking them all for hospitality, because it's just too much work. So they will never meet people from these clubs. I think for most of the users, it would be a big advantage to have one big database, where they can look. This database can COMBINE the advantages of the clubs we have, e.g. the nice design of CS and the members of HC. It could be on several servers, if one is shutting down. It would be easier to made advertisement for this database, instead of telling everyone of the ten different clubs. I think it would be great to share, instead everyone is making his own thing.

What's your opinion?

Jonathan

Posted June 10th, 2005 - 6:04 am by from Turku, Finland (Permalink)
iam agry with you.
a page with all list of kind of hospitality service.
and in 2y you get surrender with too much division ,private home....
evolution its the risk.
but some boss of some famous site i suppose they dont want to do that,
so let s do or propose....we will see.
me iam cook more ingredient better table.
any way you can test much,and never finish all.

Posted August 1st, 2005 - 10:23 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Jonathan,

we totally agree with you.

Martin ("BRAINSTORM") & Dianne


Posted September 13th, 2005 - 9:15 pm by from Padova, Italy (Permalink)
Hi everyone but my question is addressed to Veit.

Veit.. i have a question to ask.....
.... I posted a topic in HC's forum and mentioned I was a member of CS too but it got edited and deleted (the fact that I am a CS member) and now it can only be read I exclusively a member of HC.

Can you explain to me WHY I am not free to say I am a member of CS too?

can anyone answer this question if Veit doesnt?

any ideas?
thanks a lot Cris

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 7:23 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hi Cris,

I think that asking the question... is already giving a reply !

;-)))

Olivier.

Posted November 1st, 2005 - 5:55 pm by from San Salvador, El Salvador (Permalink)
Like my 'Country is Better'..or I'm 'Better' than somebody or something else since I have a different opinion or way of doing things..controversy is part and parcel of communicating ideas or marketing over Internet...You should see some threads on some forums deteriorate into war zones...we are all different in some way or other..all have different approaches and methods. I was a member of a hospitality club over 30 years ago, based in New York and London, we communicated by snail mail and long distance telephone, I would receive a letter from Germany or UK and two weeks later the guest(s) would show up and vice versa when I traveled to Europe. Never any problems, was nice to have a local meet you and show you around for 2 or 3 days and of course vice versa. I get nasty e mails all the time giving travel advice on forums about Central America, where I've lived for nearly 20 years, in fact some people now a days do not even know basic geography, let alone the culture, norms and history of the region, most think I live in "South America" and since some of these forums don't even let you send url links ('advertising')I basically tell travellers to buy a good up to date guide book, maps and surf the web specific to countries they plan to visit plus learn a bit of the language at least for non English speaking countries. Several of my on line friends have joined CS on my personal recommendation and find it a wonderful resource.
Anyone interested in working for common causes check out and join up http://www.care2.com/ if you desire..out of hundreds I interacted with there had only one problem. That's life on the Internet. I may be totally different than you..but never 'better'. Those who know everything really have nothing to learn. That's OK.

Posted October 14th, 2005 - 2:37 pm by from Brasileia, Brazil (Permalink)
it's obvious that HC came first.
it's obvious that CS has a better site.
and for me, the 2 only possible reasons for not uniting both are:
-proudness;
-money;
in any case, that's absolutely SAD for me, and the only practical consequense for the great majority of members, who just use the sites to get in touch with people from where they need, is double work, once it's obviously tend to an asymptote whith the same members in both sites.

Practcing more their slogans and the controllers of both sides would get a very simple solution...


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Posted October 20th, 2005 - 3:20 pm by from Helsinki, Finland (Permalink)
Weird, I just got Steve's last reply to this thread to my inbox...

In response to that, I don't think that anyone in HC would go so low as to create ghost profiles just to rack up the numbers. I think what happens is that since HC requires you to sign up before you can even check the website out out, many people sign up, look around, and realize that it's not really that great, and that;s it, dead profile.
HC doesn't do any clean up of profiles, and I doubt they ever will, all this maybe to reach the coveted 1,000,000 members. Ok, CS has not deleted profiles yet, but at least the inactive profiles are blocked out of the Couchsearch, so people don't waste time emailing people who won't respone or care.

Like someone mentioned, it's about quality, not quantity.

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Posted November 1st, 2005 - 1:24 pm from Cluj-Napoca, Romania
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 12:56 pm by from Singapore, Singapore (Permalink)
Well, I wouldnt say that club sux.. These words are too strong..
Not all of the ppl really now what is goin' on, not all of the ppl are guilty because of the actions taken by somebody else. I have gained a lot of good friends via HC.. and they are people... peoples are the elements who actually stands for 'club' or 'community'... so be aware of words like this please :)

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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 1:11 pm by from San Francisco, United States (Permalink)
Some people love HC, some people don't. CouchSurfing was made for both groups. Enough said.

Can we end this thread already? I don't want to unsubscribe from the HC group but i'm sick of this tired argument coming into my inbox.

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 1:11 pm by from Singapore, Singapore (Permalink)
I think that serious steps should be taken, otherwise club wont last for long in the way of members activity and activities, versatile functions etc...

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 3:44 pm from Hilden, Germany
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 7:20 pm by from San Salvador, El Salvador (Permalink)
Work together! Even the best Futbol(Soccer) player in the world would not go out on the field alone to play the Brazilian Team...that is what I learned from sports..teamwork. if CS and HC worked together with a hyper link..well. The 'hard core' anti this one and anti that one can break off and found their own Projects. Anyway we are all individuals and have our own agendas, I was in one of the original Hospitality organizations in the 1970s no web site just a book, snail mail and long distance telephone. The entire concept is to host and escort visitors to your city or country and vice versa because often hostels and cheap hotels suck and some and are in dangerous areas of cities as well.

Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:10 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PLEASE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT, WE ARE GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES.
maybe we need to change this group to the bitching and moaning about HC group.

heres what i see:

people dont like hc coz of censorship
people dont like hc coz u think the site is rubbish
people dont like HC because u dont like Veit
people dont like HC because it copied Servas
People dont like HC coz of the empty profiles
People dont like HC coz fuck knows why else and i cant be bothered to go through and read everyones little problem with HC

GUESS WHAT

DONT FUCKING USE HC, now please can we move on to something else, something more in the spirit of hc and cs.

how about a MASS ORGY(no girls allowed)

fucking hell, theres HC and theres CS, and theres a bunch more, so what, who gives a fuck, use the ones u want and discard the ones u dont.
no one is making any suggestions or solutions, it seems everyone wants to bitch. great we can do this forever, in fact im going to bitch right now
my girlfriend is doing my head in, she constantly bitches to me to take her out, well im broke, what am i supposed to do, she keeps bitching coz im a kinda insomniac, so i watch tv or post messages on here when i should be cuddling up next to her.
my work sucks, i just transferred to a different restaurant, and the kitchen is 100% hispanic, and they dont like the fact that i am not hispanic, or the fact that i dont speak spanish, and especially dont like the fact that i will not be intimidated when they all ask me to take the trash out and i tell them to go fuck themselves. this is causing me a lot of problems at work, but my job is safe, or thats what my manager says, hes had this problem b4 with non hispanic cooks, and they all end up quitting. i really wanna quit, but if i do, then i will feel like a looser(well more than i do anyway) and second, what happens when the next non hispanic cook comes along. im fighting the injustices of the world i guess that makes me a hero. anyway do u people get my point?? this bitching and moaning aint getting us anywhere, all its doing, is making people dislike each other. i am sure there are 2 members here, and if u read the posts u can guess, that would probably not let the other be his guest.
now kids is this the fucking point of cs and hc??

anyway enough shit out of me for one day, i told u guys b4, if no one posts i will have no oppurtunity to talk this much crap
be warned, next time it will be a 3 page paper on my sexual identity crisis and moments of sexual impotence

peace out kids and behave ur selves










Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:17 pm by from Manama, Bahrain (Permalink)
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PLEASE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT, WE ARE GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES.
maybe we need to change this group to the bitching and moaning about HC group.

heres what i see:

people dont like hc coz of censorship
people dont like hc coz u think the site is rubbish
people dont like HC because u dont like Veit
people dont like HC because it copied Servas
People dont like HC coz of the empty profiles
People dont like HC coz fuck knows why else and i cant be bothered to go through and read everyones little problem with HC

GUESS WHAT

DONT FUCKING USE HC, now please can we move on to something else, something more in the spirit of hc and cs.

how about a MASS ORGY(no girls allowed)

fucking hell, theres HC and theres CS, and theres a bunch more, so what, who gives a fuck, use the ones u want and discard the ones u dont.
no one is making any suggestions or solutions, it seems everyone wants to bitch. great we can do this forever, in fact im going to bitch right now
my girlfriend is doing my head in, she constantly bitches to me to take her out, well im broke, what am i supposed to do, she keeps bitching coz im a kinda insomniac, so i watch tv or post messages on here when i should be cuddling up next to her.
my work sucks, i just transferred to a different restaurant, and the kitchen is 100% hispanic, and they dont like the fact that i am not hispanic, or the fact that i dont speak spanish, and especially dont like the fact that i will not be intimidated when they all ask me to take the trash out and i tell them to go fuck themselves. this is causing me a lot of problems at work, but my job is safe, or thats what my manager says, hes had this problem b4 with non hispanic cooks, and they all end up quitting. i really wanna quit, but if i do, then i will feel like a looser(well more than i do anyway) and second, what happens when the next non hispanic cook comes along. im fighting the injustices of the world i guess that makes me a hero. anyway do u people get my point?? this bitching and moaning aint getting us anywhere, all its doing, is making people dislike each other. i am sure there are 2 members here, and if u read the posts u can guess, that would probably not let the other be his guest.
now kids is this the fucking point of cs and hc??

anyway enough shit out of me for one day, i told u guys b4, if no one posts i will have no oppurtunity to talk this much crap
be warned, next time it will be a 3 page paper on my sexual identity crisis and moments of sexual impotence

peace out kids and behave ur selves










Posted November 3rd, 2005 - 10:48 pm by from Bangkok, Thailand (Permalink)
im sorry to get involved. i am removing myself from this listserve, and as such will miss out on the few great opportunities that arise from members that matter. everyone needs to shup up. you are all ridiculous. i am ridiculous for posting, but i cannot go half an hour without a fucking message from you people. go to work, go to school, go travel, but leave this alone.
peace
craig

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Posted November 4th, 2005 - 1:06 am by from San Francisco, United States (Permalink)
tired
Pronunciation: 'tI(&)rd
Function: adjective

1: depleted of strength or energy
2: repeated too often; overfamiliar through overuse

This thread has become so tired I don't want to be apart of this group anymore. Continue to have your "fun" if you want but i'm, well, tired of it.

Posted May 1st, 2007 - 6:49 pm by from Ludwigshafen am Rhein, Germany (Permalink)
This thread is up nearly now 3-4 years running and it doenst change until nothing! It's like the postings have been done yesterday and now everyone can decide by themself whats going on in HC or CS.. actuelly now we have a 3rd Network Bewelcome.org and veit is doing excatly the same thing, when cs was created. Never learned nothing from it!

How poor is that!


Posted May 1st, 2007 - 7:25 pm by from Oss, Netherlands (Permalink)
It is so poor that he is making forum posts in stead of getting the webserver running again or upgrading the server.

Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 7:29 am by from Jakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
You mean he should've spent the last two years - and more than that - to upgrade the server?

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Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 10:26 am by from Jakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
Are you answering me or Roland Wollweber?

In case you're answering me:
It's two years and two months since Veit wrote his post, so Lourenssen was a bit quick in his critisism, that's all.

Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 10:26 am by from Jakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
Are you answering me or Roland Wollweber?

Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 10:50 am by from Oss, Netherlands (Permalink)
I think this thread was here all the time.

Just click on the Show all messages button.
According to whats happening on all volunteerforums of HC right now this seems to be 100% up-to-date again.
Only diferent that the name of the other site is not CS but Bewelcome.

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Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 11:42 am from Istanbul, Turkey
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Posted May 2nd, 2007 - 1:00 pm by from Jakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
You mean he should've spent the last two years - and more than that - to upgrade the server?

Posted June 16th, 2007 - 1:05 pm by from Furtwangen im Schwarzwald, Germany (Permalink)
hiya guys...i jst browsed the topic (guess its old now) still its shoking post from Veit.
immediately i chat with some of my link from HC and CS about this and most of them also surprised and when we discussed for this post.
heres the opinions collected which become mine also....
(ps:im not talking on the behalf of anyone but myself)

the concept of hospitality is SHARE by both casey (CS) and Viet (HC)
the difference is Viet was there first to come up with the idea
(please dont doubt it my friends, we all know that)
and the mistake he made was to try to keep d web site (HC) under his control
(just like his mood in this post)
then.....

so many of his volunters left, some joined CS, some made a similar new website
and Viet have the right to be upset because
not much of volunters on hospitalityclub whose able to develop more to HC website now
so now, from a nice and peacefull mind, this guy is switching to a shitty spirit

but please do all have to understand that...

he was,been also still working on HC since and for a long while.
it's thousands of hours working for free,
and now he realize that his dream is getting down

it's hard, so I think it's better to apologize him for the bad mood

but more, from this, DO LEARN: even a true spirit can become a hit by lots of things,
betrayal is one of them.
If Ex hospitality club volunteer can go to CS and talk rubbish about HC,
why cant they do the same for CS?

(just a reminder for casey tooo, do blend only with the solid one match ur spirit)

And im sure, if my observation abt keith spirit when he wrote the post is true,,,
the troubles in hospitality is "a knock on the head "for Keith
and as we scrolled down the topic, he said...
"...I appologize..."

one more my friends, im not webmaster
but couch-hunter and hostes,,,,
ARMS WIDE OPEN

Posted June 20th, 2007 - 6:42 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
"Viet was there first to come up with the idea
(please dont doubt it my friends, we all know that)"

Sorry, but the first who come up with the idea is Bob Lutweiler in 1959 when he created Servas... which is still the oldest and up and running hospitality network... Veit just take his idea from Servas... so, sorry but I doubt indeed !

"it's thousands of hours working for free,"

If everything is done for free... maybe Veit can tell us the money the website earn per month with all the advertisement on it ?

Posted June 23rd, 2007 - 12:07 pm by from Madrid, Spain (Permalink)
Ok, ok... I don't know who was first, the egg or the hen? whatever was first I mean CS or HC what I can say is that i love the idea to share our homes with other travellers, I am not getting marry with either CS or HC I just using the opportunity that both are giving me to do so.

Certainly I started through Hospitality Club, I had a great experiences with it's members, because I am convinced that either in Hc or CS, the people, their members are who makes everything possible. I have had great satisfactions with people not with an institution. If Viet or anyone else is making money or not, is not my busines, what do I really care is that I am still enjoying very much of this idea, and I will keep going forward on this.

Nowadays HC unfortunately is getting worst and worst because is almost impossible to get in, and I can see that loads of people is moving to CS which at the same time is good because then we can grow as a community of travellers, and as a human being we still have the chance to share hospitality and humanity, which day to day is getting more and more scarse.

Let's keep enjoying of these both projects and all the rest which have the same aim.

Peace to all

Roberto -bojel-

Posted November 23rd, 2007 - 11:33 am by from Ludwigshafen am Rhein, Germany (Permalink)
When i look to the current discussions about HC i remembered here this old thread since 2004! Seems nothing has changed since 3 years, only other members are now leaving HC. So you see you are not alone and the problems seems never get solved there!

Posted January 23rd, 2008 - 1:20 pm by from The Hague, Netherlands (Permalink)
Hey friends,
I love this shitty post, it just can live forever!!!

this is my message of peace :-)
I'll never quit using HC, and always recommend people to use both HC and CS
I would really love to see all the good stuff from HC in CS, such as the good stuff of CS in HC...
Why shouldn't they definitely copy each other without shame?

MONOPOLY SUCKS, and two redundant site can only be useful, and couldn't hurt anybody!

PS: Veit, if you are still here, I'm not kidding! sorting meeting by distance, or keyword search in groups, or whatever, should be excellent in HC! If people then blame you for copying, just tell them it was my idea :-)

Hugs everybody!