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China - Tiber relations
Posted November 19th, 2012 - 6:03 pm by from Mesto Albrechtice, Czech Republic (Permalink)
Dear CS people from China,
I add here because I need little help with understanding and I think this is great page, where I can find some answers...

I am doing paper about Tibet and I need to look at it from all diferent sides... also from China´s side.

Could someone (The more people respond, the better)!!
tell me, why China thinks that Tiber territory belongs under China (is it from historical perspective) and can you tell me more? I am trying to understand your mentality and pint of wiew.

Thank you so very much in advance!! you can write here, to my mailbox or on my email: girlofheaven@seznam.cz

Thank you again!!!!

Denisa Kappelová

Posted November 19th, 2012 - 9:16 pm by from Washington, United States (Permalink)
In short..Not the greatest

Posted November 20th, 2012 - 3:03 am from Xian, China
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Posted November 20th, 2012 - 10:55 am from Karamay, China
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Posted November 21st, 2012 - 8:07 am from Suzhou, China
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Posted November 22nd, 2012 - 6:40 pm by from Mesto Albrechtice, Czech Republic (Permalink)
People,

thankx for replying. OF COURSE I HAVE some literature, books and all... only think I just see is history and blah blah...
I want know a real opinion of people of China, thats why I am asking you here! :)

I wanna know your opinion, so I could share it in my class (what people really things...), not what is written in books.
Thank you.

Posted November 22nd, 2012 - 7:38 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
You are touching on one of the 3 very sensitive T-issues here - those being Tiananmen, Taiwan and Tibet.

I doubt that you will get different opinions than the official one from people in mainland China. Many might not really care too much as they are busy with their daily lives, etc. but having a different opinion than the official one could also have serious consequences. Most Chinese people I have met are not very interested in politics as they know that there is nothing they can do that would have any effect, and those who might will usually refrain from stating their opinions in front of foreigners.

I would suggest that you approach perhaps Chinese students in your country in a very sensitive way and see where they might stand. There is probably a reason why no CS-member of the Chinese community has posted anything in this thread. I would also suggest to let this topic rest in this forum as you will most probably not get the answers you are looking for, and I mean an answer to your initial question. On the contrary, a discussion on this topic could raise some red flags with the Chinese authorities which I assume are following this forum or are at least aware of it.

Political discussions do not happen like they do in Europe or if they do, then only amongst people of utmost trust. Things are also not said in clear-cut words and phrases, they are rather described in a way that the meaning could be interpreted in different ways.

On the other hand, the official Chinese version is the Chinese side you are looking for. The other side would be the Tibetan view.

Cheers
W

Posted November 23rd, 2012 - 1:01 pm by from Mesto Albrechtice, Czech Republic (Permalink)
Thank you for your replyes anyway....
I just wanted to know what people thinks (they could write me an e-mail), I did not disturb or offence anybody. I just needed some answers and I thought this would be a good page to fing out....

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Posted November 22nd, 2012 - 7:40 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
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Posted November 23rd, 2012 - 12:16 pm by from Qujing, China (Permalink)
Pravda vitezi!Is there someone ask you why Scotland belongs to England?

Posted November 23rd, 2012 - 11:45 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
As far as I know both Scotland and England are part of the United Kingdom.

Here is an extract from the respective Wikipedia site:
"The Kingdom of Scotland emerged as an independent sovereign state in the Early Middle Ages and continued to exist until 1707, although it had been in a personal union with the kingdoms of England and Ireland since James VI of Scotland succeeded to the English and Irish thrones in 1603. On 1 May 1707, Scotland entered into an incorporating political union with England to create the united Kingdom of Great Britain. This union resulted from the Treaty of Union agreed in 1706 and enacted by the twin Acts of Union
passed by the Parliaments of both countries, despite popular opposition
and anti-union riots in Edinburgh, Glasgow and elsewhere.


Scotland's legal system continues to be separate from those of England and Wales and Northern Ireland, and Scotland constitutes a distinct jurisdiction in public and private law. The continued existence of legal, educational and religious institutions distinct from those in the remainder of the UK have all contributed to the continuation of Scottish culture and national identity since the Union. In 1999, a devolved legislature, the Scottish Parliament, was reconvened with authority over many areas of home affairs following a successful referendum in 1997. In 2011, the Scottish National Party (SNP) won an overall majority in parliament and intends to hold a referendum on independence in the autumn of 2014."

Posted November 24th, 2012 - 2:43 am from Suzhou, China
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Posted November 25th, 2012 - 9:15 am by from Mesto Albrechtice, Czech Republic (Permalink)
---> GeraldineinSuzhou
I would love to know those arguments!! you can even write me private message please!

Posted November 26th, 2012 - 12:35 am by from Matejov, Czech Republic (Permalink)
Jsem v Tibetu a znám jak mínění a vědomosti o historii Číňanů, tak Tibeťanů, ale je to na dlouhý povídání. Navíc si myslím, že tohle téma je trochu citlivý a je možný, že tu do týdne CS zablokují.
Btw. asi nejlepší by bylo, kdyby ses stavila a sama se podívala v jakých podmínkách 'osvobození' Tibeťani žijí.
Nikdy jsem neběhala před něčí ambasádou s něčí vlajkou, považuju to za naprosto zbytečnou, neužitečnou a provokující činnost. Když něco chci vědět, nebo dělat, jdu rovnou do míst, kde to můžu zjistit-dělat.

Posted November 26th, 2012 - 5:31 am from Kowloon West, China
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Posted November 26th, 2012 - 6:28 am by from Matejov, Czech Republic (Permalink)
Yap, I also usually take Czech as an example. But not CZ-CSR-AH monarchy-empire.
Better is to imagine 2nd world war and Czech as an occupied territory of Germany. Also the thing about splitting Czech and making Sudetenland - same happened to Tibet. Moreover, conditions of life for local people, education in foreign language, re-education, destroying local culture, etc etc. Or occupying of America by Europe...many examples already happened in history

Posted November 26th, 2012 - 5:12 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
Does this mean that "we could get our old territories back" :-) I would like Venice in particular but perhaps then the coffee might not be as good any longer ...

Anyway, it looks like Catalonia is moving even faster than Scotland on this issue - http://uk.news.yahoo.com/spanish-breakaway-fever-dominates-catalan-regional-vote-085814151.html

But the interesting part is this one: "Until recently the region (Catalonia) of 7.5 million people was content to push
for greater self-governance - such as collecting and spending its own
taxes - without seeking independence.
But Spain's recession, with 25 percent unemployment and
drastic public spending cuts, has sharpened a Catalan perception that
they are taxed unfairly." So, it appears that it is a bit economy-driven.
The problem is that although we like to compare similar situations, most of the time they are not really comparable and each case has to be looked at differently and would also have a different ideal solution. However, one element is common to all problems and their eventual solution and that is extensive dialogue and contempleting scenarios from every angle.

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Posted November 27th, 2012 - 2:45 pm by from Shangri-La, China (Permalink)
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Posted November 29th, 2012 - 5:56 am from Kowloon West, China
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Posted December 24th, 2012 - 9:33 pm from Kowloon West, China
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Posted December 25th, 2012 - 10:56 am by from Kalmar, Sweden (Permalink)
And boom, there goes Couchsurfing slamming into that great firewall of Chinese censorship together with Facebook, Twitter and many others.
As someone above mentioned this is probably not the right place for such discussions, if for no other reason than that I have understood that a lot of Chinese people really enjoy the Couchsurfing community and really wouldn't want it shut down by worried authorities. They could easily make CS as closed to the Chinese as Tibet is to any foreigners at the moment.

Apart from that I must agree it is an interesting subject and a good question.

Posted December 26th, 2012 - 7:13 am by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
Please, don`t compare German, Roman Empire and Chinese occupations with European colonization...

All America, Africa and Oceania colonies were never considered part of the european countries, not even by themselves.

"repatriated"... O.o

Independency was never a easy and fast process, don`t think Catalonia, Scotland or Tibet will be independent after less than fifty years discussion.

Posted December 31st, 2012 - 6:57 am by from Guangzhou, China (Permalink)
I'm not going to comment about Tibet but I'd wager that your "after less than 50 years" may be proved wrong a lot quicker Gustavo for Scotland in particular.

The Scots will be getting a vote on some form of independence in 2014. I've British (English/Welsh, half-half) and if the Scottish people do chose independence from the UK than I'd wish them well. The political situation in Scotland, compared to England is more inclusive and socially fair (in my opinion) and a majority of Scots may feel that it is time to make decisions for themselves, rather than have laws imposed on them from London (though they have the right to determine certain things themselves now and still have free university education, enhanced social services, etc compared to the England).

As for the people of Catalonia I think their push for independence from the rest of Spain will take longer. The constitutional situation is different from Scotland as well. The main independence party actually lost votes in the last election there so it might take them longer, if it ever happens.

anyway, happy new year to all :-)

Posted December 31st, 2012 - 9:00 am by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
“after less than fifty years discussion

Scotland had it`s own kings more than one thousand years ago. After so many wars agaisnt what could be called today the English Empire, I guess I can say they are fighting for independence since the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, when 6 years after they had the world first documented declaration of independence. It seems that they aren`t not independent yet... almost 700 years of discussion.