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Posted July 28th, 2009 - 2:26 pm by from Brno, Czech Republic (Permalink)
Hey y'all. So next month we are up to J. And what better place then Katz' Deli to try some Jewish food. This place is world famous and we can even have a fake orgasm contest (The famous When Harry Met Sally scene was filmed there).

Carlo organized a meetup there, so come on out. http://www.couchsurfing.org/meetings.html?mid=41878

Posted July 28th, 2009 - 3:41 pm by from Brooklyn, United States (Permalink)
Hmm, well, it could also be Japanese (love it but we've all been there and done that) and Jamaican (very original, and incredibly good for the soul).

But if Katz' is the chosen food (ha!), then I'm in. Due to amazing sammiches.

Posted July 29th, 2009 - 1:53 am by from Brno, Czech Republic (Permalink)
They do have some amazing sandwiches. Their Matzah Ball soup is disappointingly disappointing though. They have such good food other than that that I look the other way.

Posted July 28th, 2009 - 9:40 pm by from Bangkok, Thailand (Permalink)
Hi Michael,
I am sure you had all good intentions with your proposal for a nice Jewish meal. As the letter J would be coming up next for. But please don't post up Religions as countries of cuisine. As the letter "I" could also promote the fine food of Israel, as yes there are Jewish people that live there as well as Catholic and maybe some Islamic people too. Please keep to the country of origin only, such as Jordan, or Japan, or even Jamaica like was suggested.

Thanks and see you soon for good meal.



Posted August 1st, 2009 - 2:55 pm from Brooklyn, United States
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Posted August 15th, 2009 - 11:47 am by from Kfar Saba, Israel (Permalink)
Hello Courtney and everybody
My name is Rami and I am from Israel
Brian posted your replay in the Israel group.
I really do not belong to this group or from NY, but never the less and regardless of the intention of your words and the context, what you said hurt me and I want to comment on this

I understand the origins of your opinion, and it hurts me that someone that considers himself as part of the Jewish nation thinks this way.
And it pains me greatly to read what you wrote about the Jewish nation not really having a home of its own.

just a week ago I had a conversation with a CSer girl from Germany that is visiting Israel and we talked about exactly this.

in my personal ideology, I believe we are all human beings living on earth and we do not have to distinguish ourselves from each other by ethnic groups or of any other kind. and I wish for the day all ppl. will understand this and we will have no more nationalities and boundaries.

But despite all this, I grew up in Israel, on a Zionist , Israeli and Jeweish education, such of tradition and history, whether of the State of Israel and the more current, where thousands of people gave their lives in the past 60 years and still struggle to create and preserve the Jewish people in its own home.
and also the history of the Jewish people in the Bible, the Diaspora and the Jewish 7000 years old!!! religion and tradition.
so that anyone in the world, and especially!! anyone that considers himself as part of the Jewish nation will understand in the most profound way, that the Jewish **nation**, has a place they could say about "this is my homeland".
the Interest of the Jewish national identity, religion, tradition and society are intertwined in one anther and are an integral part of any Jew that as the slightest self awareness, and we are perhaps the only nation in the world where all the above in an integrated complex and in separated thing, and the discussion about it is long and ongoing and my words don't start to cover it.
And I am aware of a contradiction between my personal ideology and education. and it is a conflict I live with every day and hope that my ideology will become a reality during my life time, but I still can not ignore the value and education I grew up on and I live in every day
and because of that your words hurt me.

Sorry for this unrelated post
and i hope my point was understood.

Regards, Rami Katz
an Israeli Jew and a Human being

Posted August 16th, 2009 - 1:04 am by from Brooklyn, United States (Permalink)
Guys, seriously? Come on. Enough! This all started because somebody suggested that Jewish was not a cuisine and was promptly corrected by several posters, including myself.

This has nothing to do with antisemitism, Nazism, genocide, or the Arab-Israeli conflict. Please put away the hurt feelings and realize that nobody on this thread is out to hurt anyone else. If what Courtney said about Israel not being her country offends, then message her privately and have it out. Lots of people feel that Israel is a manufactured country and feel little or no affinity towards it. That is a personal, subjective question and hardly up for public debate on a forum about restaurant food.

And why do you sign off as "Israeli Jew and a Human being"? I understand your personal conflict over being a global citizen and an Israeli, but signing off like that comes off as cloying AND condescending, if it's possible to be both at the same time. You're a human being opposed to whom/what -- some of the nonhumans on this thread?

I'm half-expecting hate mail in response to this, and I guess that's fine. I just want to point out that not every disagreement boils down to anti-Semitism or some fundamental debate in Judaica. Sometimes a disagreement is just a disagreement. Nothing written here requires the kind of seminal dissertation one might write in response to Walt and Mearsheimer or something. Nobody is here to hurt Jews or destroy Israel; the sensitivity displayed on this thread is inflated and misplaced.

Let's just eat.

Posted August 16th, 2009 - 4:16 pm by from Kfar Saba, Israel (Permalink)
Hello Anastasia
i feel sorry that my words were understood incorrectly
the way i wrote them was a bit clumsy.
and if u gathered from them that i have written them in anger i assure u that that was not my intention
and i and sorry if that is the feeling ppl. got from them.

what i meant was that to read that a person that considers himself as a Jew by nationality, no matter what her religious beliefs are, has written that she thinks that Jews really don't have a country at all, where as in my eyes and as i believe in the eyes of every person that considers them self as a Jew by nationality, Israel is without the slightest shadow of a doubt a living fact and the home of every Jew where ever they are in the world, and that offends me, as a national Jew and an Israeli.

and as i already said in my last post, i am fully aware and agree that Courtney is fully entitled to her opinions, as much as i fill painfull to hear this coming from someone that thinks of himself as a Jew by nationality. again i am sorry, but still, i felt hurt and needed to speak out about it.

my point was that although i do consider myself to be a member of the jewish nation, 1st and formost I consider myself a humen being, no more then that, without any affilitions of any kind. i did not mean to sound in anyway cloying or condescending. and i'm very sorry if i did.
or in what way did i sound like that and as such how those the two contrdict

all the best, and without any feeling of hate
shalom from Israel :)

Posted August 17th, 2009 - 3:02 am from Brooklyn, United States
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Posted July 29th, 2009 - 2:34 pm by from Brno, Czech Republic (Permalink)
For those of you looking for organic/healthy dining, this may not be the best choice :).

Posted July 30th, 2009 - 3:57 am by from New York, United States (Permalink)
Thanks for the promo, Mike! Yes, for Couch Crash I created an event at Katz' Deli on August 24:


Come with!

And if the world famous New York delicacies of Katz' aren't enough to entice you, how about this:


Find me another restaurant where you can get THAT. ;-D

Posted August 4th, 2009 - 4:28 pm by from Brooklyn, United States (Permalink)
Jewish cooking is definitely a cuisine. This isn't even controversial. Michael isn't promoting a religion. It's just a fact: fat, sinful, delicious and lethargy-inducing brisket and other goodies to be found in every Jewish cookbook worth its shelf space. Also at Katz'. Mmmm.

I'd be happy to try Christian cooking or Muslim cooking but alas, I've not had luck finding the relevant cookbooks. I believe I spotted a Zen Cooking cookbook once, so we get decently close to Buddhist cuisine. And well, if you wanna try Hindu you gotta settle for Indian.

But Jewish cooking? Yup. Exists. Too bad.

Posted August 5th, 2009 - 4:07 am by from Los Angeles, United States (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, why isn't J Jamaican? Jewish? Seems kinda odd. But don't get me wrong, bagels and lox are king.

Posted August 5th, 2009 - 2:54 pm by from Brooklyn, United States (Permalink)
I dunno. I did suggest Jamaican up top. Is there a rule against doing TWO cuisines for one letter? We can try The Golden Krust on 33rd between Madison and 5th!


Posted August 17th, 2009 - 9:24 pm from Haifa, Israel
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Posted August 17th, 2009 - 9:34 pm from Campina Grande, Brazil
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Posted August 18th, 2009 - 4:29 pm by from Brno, Czech Republic (Permalink)
I am not interested in the political conversation. However, I do want to talk a little bit about the lineage of "Jewish Ethnic Cuisine."

I may be wrong, but the majority of Moroccan, Persian and Ethiopian Jewish cooking comes from the local cooking practices. Eastern European Jewry was the only group that invented many of its own dishes. The pickling of high quality meats was not a common practice until Jews started to make Salt Beef (corned beef) in Hungary and Austria. They did this so that the beef wouldn't dry out over the sabbath (I have never seen this in a history book, but I was told this twice at the French Culinary Institute. One of the people was Tom Collichio a famous chef who said that a Corned Beef sandwich would be his last supper).

Similarly, Kugels have gained notoriety. Kugels are generally a flourless souflee made of ground potatoes. Sometimes they are made with noodles.

Funny you should bring up "Gefilte" fish because its unclear whether this is a Jewish dish. Gefilte fish is ground up carp boiled in a salt/sugar/water solution. This was common practice in eastern Europe among the poor. Jews were generally in the lowest rung of the social/financial ladder, so this food was commonplace at jewish tables. No one is sure who invented it, only that the jews made it popular.

"Jewish" (defined in NY as Eastern European Jewish) food has permeated the NYC Foodie scene. No self respecting restaurant in NY would serve French toast that wasn't made with Challah Bread and every dinner in the Norheast serves Matza Ball soup.

Posted August 21st, 2009 - 5:15 pm from New York, United States
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Posted August 21st, 2009 - 6:29 pm from Brooklyn, United States
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Posted October 20th, 2009 - 3:32 am by from New York, United States (Permalink)
Gefilte fish is uniquely Jewish. The idea is that one of the activities forbidden on sabbath is separating good from bad. So if someone were to eat fish they could not remove the bones on the sabbath. They would have to eat the fish and spit the bones out. Gefilte fish has no bones so there is no problem to eat it on sabbath.


Posted August 17th, 2009 - 9:33 pm from Haifa, Israel
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