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Independencia per paisos catalans?
Posted November 25th, 2012 - 3:07 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
Is the present movement for an independent Catalan state within European Union limited to Catalonia only? What about Valencia, Isles Balears and Aragon's Catalan speaking region? We haven't heard of participation from Valencia or Mallorca in this movement.What is the reason of reluctance of these regions in joining the independence movement?

Posted November 27th, 2012 - 5:48 pm by from Castellon de la Plana, Spain (Permalink)
In Central Catalonia Independentism or Devolutionism is over a 51% of people (anti-independentist about 1/4).
In the rest of Catalan Lands colonial authorities have worked long time for creating an Anticatalan feeling, for cutting links with central Catalonia and for discriminating social use of Catalan language.
So what, in Northern Catalonia have been created a lobby for solidarity with Central Catalonia independence, but there independentism is weakly linked to any party.
In Balearic Islands, there're around a 20% of Independentists, but it's the lands in all Spain where economic spoiling by Spanish Gvt. is harder. Some Balearic Town councils have issued manifests for independence.
In Valencialand, nearly 20 years under a destructive Spanish ultranationalist Gvt. (and under an anticatalan low-level terrorism allowed and brutal media campaigns) things are changing, just now Spanish ultranationalism is losing in polls, and 1/4 of people declare to want to vote to pro-Catalan Federalist parties.
In Valencialand Independentism is about a 3-5%.
In Western String in Aragon (only about 50.000 inhabitants from Pyrenees to Ebre river, there's also a low-level anticatalan terrorism since long time, but electorally depends on Aragon, another Stateless Nation but contolled by Spanish Parties. The only hope for them is to come back to Catalonia (separated from since 1300 due to a Parliament agreement amongs the King and Aragonese Parliament), but it's dificult cos of extreme agressivity of Spanish Parties in this question. Here Catalan feeling is lower than the Official regional Aragonese one: only about a 20-25%. However Catalan is often spoken in its streets.

Posted November 28th, 2012 - 12:28 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
1.So, do the Catalan people of Aragon have Catalan as medium of instruction in the schools for children?
2.And what do you mean by anti-Catalan terrorism?
3.In Valencia do the Catalanist political parties such as Esquerra exist? Which is the main Catalanist organization there? Why do they call Valencian instead of Catalan the name of the language?
For the past three years we have a Valencian teacher but the language we are learning is still Catalan.

Posted November 28th, 2012 - 9:26 pm by from Castellon de la Plana, Spain (Permalink)
1.-Only in some villages or towns where their Town Council support its teaching there are a partial instruction in Catalan at School in Western String in Aragon.
2.-Massive calumny campaigns in Spanish Mass Media, Hate calls, bombing places as homes, parties or trade unions' doors, attacks to bookshops, meetings, universities, writers, politicians, intellectuals, beating people in demonstrations, boycott campaigns, firing cultural clubs, and so on. Even some murdered people as Miquel Grau (Alacant 1978), Guillem Agulló (he was translated already dead where I worked, 1993), Artur (Benidorm, 2010) and other people, usually murdered by Spanish Fascists. Fascist Groups are largely tolerated in Valencialand as well as around the World, but Valencia is an international Fascist Center due to gloomy State interests.
3.-Esquerra in Valencialand exists but is only a small party (about 1% votes). There are now two leading pro-Catalan Federalists coalitions:
-Compromís pel País Valencià (Light Socialdemocrats of Bloc Nacionalista Valencià, Leftists of Iniciativa pel País Valencià and the official Greens) in last polls, about 14% of votes.
-Esquerra Unida del País Valencià (Communist Party, Republicans and others) in last polls about 12%
These 2 coalitions are growning up fastly due to crisis and terrible corruption of ruling PP in Valencialand.
"Catalan" was the usual name for the language in Valencialand til Dinasty Union with Castile (XVIth), but since XVIIth is more used "Valencian", due to Spanish stresses. Valencian people call it "Valencian" as well as in Flanders Flemish use to call "Flemish" to their Neederlandish. Spanish Parties use to provoke some artificial conflicts for this kind of topics in order to gain some votes.
There're lots of cases of double name for one language: Moldovan-Romanian, Spanish-Castilian-Mexican, etc., Galician-Portuguese, and so on. Usually it's due to artificial borders for Stateless Nations.

A question for you, Prayad:
I've been noting about sociolinguistical situation in some countries as Philippines or India and I think their Gvts. are trying to ban slowly the English and carefully to settle Tagalog in Philippines and Hindi in India as "lingua franca". Is it only my subjective perception or really it occurs?

Posted November 29th, 2012 - 12:23 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
My interest in Catalan is due to the fact that I am learning it myself,and have started to love it in the course of learning it. Besides I am co-ordinator of Catalan studies in my university and it has been a tough task as there has been opposition to starting and continuing Catalan courses. This may sound strange but is true, and it has only made me stronger in my resolve to promote Catalan and now it is already at par with other languages being taught in my Centre (Russian,French,Castillian,Portuguese and Italian) as a 3 year full course!
Secondly, linguistic situation of Catalan and Galician is somewhat similar to that in India. Hindi has become lingua franca of India but it was a regional language like Castillian, and was opposed. That is also one reason of continuation of English(but not the sole reason).Hindi got tremendous state support, and unfortuantely it has started to strangle many 'smaller' languages, like mine. I speak a minority language(Maithili)- with almost 10million speakers, with literature,script and distinct culture but as Mithila region is part of another state, we aren't allowed to have school instruction in our own language. Our language is sliding down, getting into less and less use and losing its dignity.
I wish to write an article on this comparative situation and learn from the Catalan experience. My solidarity for the reinvigoration of Catalan language and culture in all Catalan lands, therefore comes naturally and wish you goodluck. We see in your success our hope.

Posted November 29th, 2012 - 4:50 am by from Castellon de la Plana, Spain (Permalink)
We understand your problem because is essentially the same that we suffer.
Really it's nice and exciting to meet people in so far countries who feel so similar to us.

It's for it I created through CS lots of Stateless-shaped groups:
1.-General groups:
*Stateless Nations & Friends: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=4759
*Indigenous Musics / Lesser-Used & Endangered Languages / Stateless Cultures: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=26326
*Abya Yala / Amerindia : Indigenous Movement, Languages and Cultures : http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19785

2.-National groups: *Catalan Lands...
*South Sudan: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=39065
*Azawad: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=51635
*Hmong, Karen, Mon, Chin, Kachin and other Southernasian Nations: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=20113
*Coptic and Nubian Cultures and Languages: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=36424

3.-National-Linguistic Groups:
*Tamazight: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=30688
*Igbos and Ibo Language (Biafra): http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19819
*Friûl & Furlan Language: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=45280

3.1.-National-Linguistic Groups related with places:
*Kichwa-Andes: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19787

4.-Linguistic groups:
*Cebuano, Iloko, Pangasinan, Kapampangan, Hiligaynon, Bikol, Waray-Waray & other Indigenous Languages in Philippines: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=36611
*Llingua Astur-Llionesa / Astur-Leonese Language:
*Lusofonia: Lingua Galega (-Portuguesa):
*Aragonese http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=25995

5.-Places (towns and regions) introducing them in an indigenous way:
5.1.-Around Catalan Lands
*L’Alguer /S’Alighèra/ Alghero: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19688
*Rosselló-Catalunya Nord: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19684
*Benicàssim / FIB: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=15941
*Dénia i la Marina: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=25821

5.2.-In Spain:
*Xixón: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19805
*Pontevedra: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=33614

5.3.-In France:
~ Aiacciu: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=44619
~ Tréguier/Landreger & Trégor/Vro Dreger: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=44625
*Sant Tropès (Provença): http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=29971
*Foish (Gasconha): http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=34859

5.4.- Other countries:
*Qalat (Baluchistan): http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=46594
*Baluchistan: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=36427
*"Roof of the World": Ngari / Ali Prefecture: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=48772
*Gharian & Al Ǧabal al Gharbi: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=39301

6.-Others related in Catalan Lands (on specific topics):
*Migrators and “New Catalonians” http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19420
*Cultura Valenciana - Valencian Culture: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=18847
*Antoni Gaudí, the great Catalan Architect: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=20000
*Mallorca, Menorca, Eivissa: Ecology & Roots: http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=19720

-- I've looked for your/our beloved Laguage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maithili_language#Geography
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=mai if you've a 40% of monolingual speakers and about 33 milions who can speak it, you still are in a better sociolinguistic situtation than the Catalan (about 1% of monolingual and about 6 millions of usual speakers), but I understand, as Stateless Language Maithili is also at peril cos of Linguistic Apartheid --

A suggestion: Is there in CS a group for Maithili Language? If not, create it to say: "We are alive" as my grandfa said... :)