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Athens to Skopje, Macedonia
Posted April 25th, 2013 - 10:11 am by from Wenzhou, China (Permalink)
Hello All,
How are you doing?
I'd like to ask for a favor.
Can anyone advise me what is the best for me travel from Athens to Skopje.
Would it be easier by flight, bus or train.
Thanks a lot.
James

Posted April 25th, 2013 - 12:06 pm from Athens, Greece
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Posted April 25th, 2013 - 12:13 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
please my friend correct the name "macedonia
"
cause you are making this way a historic mistake
the name wich is recognised by the united nations (U.N.)
is FYROM

macedonia has to do with greece
and greece is in despute with FYROM
for the name issue .
Greece has all the copy rights (historically) and is the only country who can use this name (this comes from the human rights to property ...etc)
till the the problem is solved ,pls use the name FYROM
not cause i say it to you
but to support the justice and the historic truth of the history of Macedonia.
Fyrom is habited mainly by slavic people
who falsificate history constantly .

Thank you .

AS for the way to go there i think it is by train
ATHENS - THESALONIKI- SKOPIA


Posted April 25th, 2013 - 1:38 pm by from Cacak, Serbia (Permalink)
Train is not an option since there are no international train routes from or to Greece from year 2010, but there are bus tours from Athens.

Best is to search this group and group "Greece" on topic "Budapest" as there was same topic like 2 months before, and someone provided link to cheapest bus agency.

As far as Macedonia, Macedonia is Greece - an ancient Greek state. FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) is official name for the country you are referring to, and word Macedonia for it can only be used locally while in any international document FYROM is an term that must be used.

Posted April 25th, 2013 - 2:04 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
i agree ...
in 2006 i traveled to serbia and i used train for this
...
As for Fyrom ... they say all time lies for the true macedonia ... and cant convieve the logic people with their lies

MACEDONIA = GREECE

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Posted May 1st, 2013 - 8:24 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
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Posted April 26th, 2013 - 6:16 am from Athens, Greece
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Posted April 26th, 2013 - 6:50 am by from Wenzhou, China (Permalink)
Sorry Guys,
I dont mean to make any trouble here.
But this is the first time I visit Greece, and I hope could go to Skopje afterwards.
Thanks for all your advises.
However, does anyone could advise me what is the best from Athens to Skopje.
Thanks a lot.
Is there any flight between this two cities?
Or bus will be my NO.1 choice?
Thanks all.
James

Posted April 26th, 2013 - 9:37 am from Athens, Greece
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Posted April 26th, 2013 - 10:13 am by from Thessaloniki, Greece (Permalink)
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Posted April 26th, 2013 - 11:52 am from Athens, Greece
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Posted April 26th, 2013 - 3:37 pm by from Cacak, Serbia (Permalink)
Thats not entirely true.

You see ancient state of Macedonia was in fact geographically inside FYROM and Greece and it existed long before Herodot gave Slavic tribes those lands as a gift from defending Hellas from Avars.

Greek side to name dispute gave an green light for FYROM to be called as Vardarian Macedonia - by Vardar river that is passing trough it, but FYROM side refused it as they are teaching their children that they are legal ancestors of Alexander the Great. FYROM as Slav republic was never called Macedonia before creation of communist Yugoslavia - before it was called Bulgaria, Greece or Old Serbia.

It first began with First Balkan War, where there was agreement of allied Bulgarian, Greek, Serbian and Montenegrin forces to get all lands they conquer from Turks to their liberated countries. However, Serbian side liberated whole Epirus and Edrine (Jedrene) town which Bulgarians sidged for two months and could not expel Turks. So after the First Balkan War, major European states - Astrohungary (Germany) was opposed to let Serbians take lands that are going to sea - so first they gave an ultimatum for Serbia to destroy almost all its citadels - which was done, but Germans again refused to give green light and so Albania was created. (I will skip part of where British stopped invasion on Ottomans and tried to gain Bosfor and Dardanelis themselfs).

Now Serbs didnt like the fact that they spilled blood for nothing in Epirus and Edrine and demanded part of Vardar Macedonia populated with Serbs instead - which Germany allowed. Greeks ware also not happy with their part and demanded more lands in its northern part. Bulgarians didnt care about it and wanted to keep old deal, so Second Balkan War begun.

This time Serbs, Montenegrin, Greeks and Turks against Bulgarians. While Bulgarians did an astonishing great war and ware able to fight back all enemies, Romania entered war and attacked Bulgaria from North. By two weeks Romanians ware very close to Bulgarian capital and Bulgaria capitulated losing only two thirds of its territory to Romanians.

Than it came First World War and Serbia was completely siezed by Axis forces so entire army with King retrited to Corfu in 1915/16 where they replenished for Thessaloniki offensive where they would be first front-line breakthrough force.

While at Corfu, Serbian military ware planing to unite all Serbian lands after the war to one big Serbian state, while British ware against it and so they forced Serbian king to change their plans and create Yugoslavia instead - southern Slavic country, and it was done in 1918 at Corfu Yugoslavia was created - Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians. (no Macedonia yet...)

After breakthrough of Thessaloniki front Bulgaria capitulated and they gain deal with British and French forces to give Serbia part of Vardar Macedonia as repayment for the aggression - because they killed a lot of Serbian civilians there they feared of Serbian revenge.

Atlante leadership again forced Serbs to take this deal and promised Serbs Panonia from Astro-Hungary which was populated by Serbs as their reparation. So Yugoslavia was created.

Than came Second World War, where Kingdom of Yugoslavia first signed thirty with Germans that allowed Yu to stay neutral in the war and let pass German forces through it. Serbian military was against this political decision and mass protests ware risen by population all over country. Hitler was outraged, and changed his plans of Operation Barbarosa and attacked Yu instead at Spring of 1941. As Germans done this without declaration of war, Yu military was crushed in one day - mainly airforce which was at a given time one of major airforces in Europe - not only with machines they had - mainly Mesechmits and Hawker Huricanes, but also with experienced combat pilots. Anyhow Germans took Yu in no time by crushing its planes on ground and bombing Belgrade on 6th April that year. Yu capitulated and King got to exile to Britain.

British trough war started to support Yu communist partisan force - which was tiny in 1943 compared to royal forces and they putted leader infront of it an guy named Tito - this figure has a lot of controversies mainly because he could not speak very well Serbian and would use word in English or German when he could not think of proper Serbian word in his conversation. Anyhow he created Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia - SFRJ with 6 republics - Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. This was the first time for use of Macedonia word and creation of that territory as an republic - as well as Slovenia but nvm.

Greeks ware imidietlly against it and so they refused to give enterence to Greece to any Yu person who would have Macedonia written in their passport. Thing is that this guy Tito made major influence in many countries balancing between East, West and non aligned countries - creating non-aligned movement, UN and so on. Greece at a time had its own problems with military coup, possible communist revolution etc. So it needed help and good relations with its neighbors so name dispute was left unchallenged for some time.

Communist school system had already written many lies to its books, however Macedonia was described as Slavic republic without connection to Alexander the Great without any history of First, Second Balkan war etc..

So breakup of SFRJ came in early 1990s. So Republics became states and so than Republic of Macedonia initially proclaimed themselves as Macedonia, took the official flag to be Alexanders flag and started to rewrite history in order to make their difference to other Yu republics and gain much needed nationalism because of Albanian threat.

So they managed to make whole new history and now you can see many brand new made archeological items - this is big lol - and sites across FYROM to support their theory. However everyone knows this is major BS, and even person that is not familiar with story can see huge propaganda machine about it.

So Greeks "sued" FYROM to UN who acknowledged that Macedonia term is not relevant to FYROM, forbid them to use Alexander flag and name Macedonia as it is Greek cultural heritage.

I forgot to mention that FYROM is "occupied" by Western forces which happened during their wars with Albanian terrorists after their creation. So their politics is made in USA, as they can not fart without their approval - much as Albania, and all other exYU states.

In my opinion all these conflicts (Kosovo, Cyprus, Bosnia, FYROM, Albania, Serbia etc.) are externally long prepared and well executed by eighter Brits, Germans or more recently Americans. Aim of these conflicts is not to allow possible unification of Orthodox states to an confederation - Byzantine like state, which would easily be one of major world powers. From time to time this unification is reemerging and last time was destroyed after First Balkan War. My prognosis is that one major war will be done in next 50 years with Turkey and if no unification would be made, history will repeat and Turks will occupy and dominate whole Balkan area again. And not only creation of new Byzantine that is Western problem, but also who controls Bosfor, Dardanels, Thessaloniki and roads that leads to it as this is only natural way that connects East and West. So until Constantinople and Smirna are not liberated (or putted in one state - not to speak in "hate words") Balkan would be what word literary represents (Turkish: blood and honey).

Ok, that would be it - hope it clears some misunderstandings.

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As part of yours transportation see my post above.

Posted April 28th, 2013 - 8:54 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
Wow Miodrag, what a post! :)

To fellow visitors who might read this, visiting also our country for the first time: since we got this "problem" quite often actually, reading FormerYogoslavicRepublicOfMacedonia (FYROM) to be called as Macedonia from visitors of our country, irritating this way most of Greeks (as you can see in this thread, there are some rare exceptions too ;)), either by ignorance or, some times, by purpose, moderators of this group have decided to upload the map that you see right at the top of our group's page first time you join it :) It shows what is officialy named Macedonia (Μακεδονία in our language) and this is a big part of Northern Greece. This way, we thought we help you, protecting you from mistakes that you wouldn't like to do :)

As you can see, I use the words "Greek" and "Greece". Actually, i should use the official words of this country: the name of the country is Hellas, we are not Greeks but Hellenes and our rich and so beautiful language is Hellenic (Ελληνικά) and not Greek. This is how we call ourselves, this is also our official name in all organisations. Still, everybody uses Greece.. So, in order not to create even bigger confuse right now or even been considered as.. nationalists from some very few, we keep things easier for you.

Try also to respect us as well, giving a more careful look on main issues of this country, before posting. :) This map right there in front of your eyes was placed in order to help you this way :)

For more details about the dispute among the two countries about the name Macedonia and how FYROM took actually that name, read Miodrag's post above :)

Posted April 28th, 2013 - 10:02 am by from Thessaloniki, Greece (Permalink)
ΚΑΛΗΜΕΡΑ ΣΕ ΟΛΟΥΣ,ΚΑΙ ΚΑΛΗΜΕΡΑ ΑΚΙ.ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ ΣΤΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ.ΑΚΙ,ΑΠΟ ΟΤΙ ΔΙΑΒΑΣΑ,ΚΑΙ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΑ ΘΕΛΩ ΝΑ ΜΕ ΔΙΟΡΘΩΣΕΙΣ ΑΝ ΚΑΝΩ ΛΑΘΟΣ,Η ΛΕΞΗ ΓΡΑΙΚΟΣ,ΠΡΟΕΡΧΕΤΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΛΑΤΡΕΙΣ ΤΗΣ ΓΡΑΙΑΣ,=>ΤΗΣ ΠΡΩΤΑΡΧΙΚΗΣ ΜΗΤΕΡΑΣ(ΕΚ ΤΟΥ ΜΗΤΡΑ),ΚΑΙ ΕΠΟΜΕΝΩΣ,ΓΕΝΕΣΙΟΥΡΓΟΣ . ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΡΟ-ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ.ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΥΤΟΙ,ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΙ ΤΟΥ ΕΛΛΑΔΙΚΟΥ ΧΩΡΟΥ.ΓΡΑΙΑ-ΠΑΡΑΦΡΑΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΓΡΙΑ.ΜΠΟΡΕΙ ΝΑ ΔΙΑΦΩΝΩ ΓΙΑ ΤΑ ΠΕΡΙ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ' ΑΠΟ ΤΙΣ ΔΥΟ ΠΛΕΥΡΕΣ,ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΛΟ ΘΑ ΗΤΑΝ,ΟΙ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΙ ΝΑ ΣΥΝ-ΔΙΑΛΕΓΟΝΤΑΙ ΜΕ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΣΥΜΦΩΝΟΥΝ,ΚΑΙ ΟΧΙ ΠΟΥ ΔΙΑΦΩΝΟΥΝ. ΣΥΜΒΟΛΙΣΤΗ,ΜΟΥ ΑΡΕΣΕ ΤΟ ΣΧΟΛΙΟ ΣΟΥ.ΝΑ ΕΙΣΤΑΙ ΚΑΛΑ ΟΛΟΙ.ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ :-)

Posted May 1st, 2013 - 1:07 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
stupid is the one who doesnt know his history
and the others use it ...
learn about humans rights

noone has the right to have something that is your own property

macedonian history is a copy right
and belongs to greece

Macedonia has nothing to do with this fake country called FYROM

Posted April 29th, 2013 - 2:03 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
James
from what i looked up in the net ,the best and probably at this time the only way is simeonidis tours and u can go to thesaloniki by bus or train is more or less the same!the other option is take this bus, get off in one of the 2 towns of fyrom and take another one for skopje!the plain is at least a 15 hours ride!good luck and don't worry about anything,i was last year on a road trip through the ex-yugoslavian countries and it s one of the safest areas i ve visited in the world!GOOD LUCK!!