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Posted September 30th, 2013 - 8:11 pm by from Mumbai, India (Permalink)
Is Egg a vegetarian or a non vegetarian ?

Posted September 30th, 2013 - 8:23 pm by from Vitoria, Brazil (Permalink)
Need ask the question to the chikren. Rsrs

Posted September 30th, 2013 - 11:42 pm by from Langley, United States (Permalink)
LOL!!!!

Good point, Jose.

Let's sit down, face to face, and ask the hens!

Cherie

Posted October 1st, 2013 - 1:00 am by from Vitoria, Brazil (Permalink)
Rsrsrsrs

Posted September 30th, 2013 - 8:37 pm from Rio Tercero, Argentina
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Posted September 30th, 2013 - 11:40 pm by from Langley, United States (Permalink)
Most Vegetarians are ova lacto, meaning they DO eat eggs and/or dairy products. After being a Vegetarian for 40 years, this is the most common type I've come across.

Govan, what you describe as a "strict Vegetarian" is the definition of a "Vegan"(and most I've met are proud to describe themselves as such, NOT as Vegetarian): NO animal products, meat, eggs, dairy, honey, silk, leather: NOTHING coming from animals.

Re: eggs...the news is that Bill Gates has invested heavily in Hampton Creeks products, which are destined to change the world:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/hampton-creek-foods-replacing-eggs-product-time/story?id=20235011

http://hamptoncreekfoods.com

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/11/hampton-creek-now-selling-plant-based-eggs-at-whole-foods-in-california/

Lucky us, huh?
What a great time to be alive!

Cherie

Posted October 1st, 2013 - 12:16 am by from Langley, United States (Permalink)
Your definitions may be current, but they're not traditional.

After 40 years living in a no meat lifestyle, I consider your definitions inaccurate.

But who cares?

If we are all of like mind to protect the animals, then who cares whether you're a Vegetarian or Vegan?

All that matters, Goven, is that we live for the betterment of all.

Love to you..and all ;D

Cherie

Posted October 1st, 2013 - 2:52 am by from Portland, United States (Permalink)
Being Veg is a good step, thanks for that! :-)

But to answer who cares whether one is veg or vegan?

Anyone and everyone who cares about all the non-human animals who are STILL being enslaved, tortured, raped & often murdered in the process of milk & eggs & other animal products being produced.

Go Vegan! :-D

Posted October 1st, 2013 - 10:05 pm by from Mumbai, India (Permalink)
LOL
obliged with the replies funny interesting and never heard before facts ... So now i know what this egg is .
I have another question for ull ... if ull dont mind me askingg ... lets do this ??????

Posted September 30th, 2013 - 11:30 pm by from Langley, United States (Permalink)
King Kotak

Vegetarian: it's an animal product, but not flesh, nor a part of a dead animal's body.

I prefer only non-fertilized eggs, because that way I know for sure no life is being taken...no chick will ever come of it.

Hens lay eggs almost every day of their lives, just like women do every month. It has nothing to do with producing a new life; without fertilization, I see it as a gift from the hen to me. I always, when cracking open an egg, say "Thank you, Hen!".

She will lay eggs regardless of what becomes of the egg.

My concern is that she has a free and happy life, full of dirt, and bugs, and grasses, and is free to roam safely.

Now, Vegans would NOT be eating eggs, because, after all, it IS an animal product. I respect that view, and eat eggs only occasionally, again, with much respect, and ALWAYS only from cage free, and kindly treated, hens.

Cherie

Posted October 2nd, 2013 - 9:12 am by from Padova, Italy (Permalink)
In reality, "ethical" vegans don't eat eggs because they come from male chickens' death, and female chikens' sufference. Chickens don't lay eggs every day, in nature they lay 5-12 eggs and then they stop to (don't know the word in english...!!) sit on eggs for some weeks, until eggs open, and then they stay with their babies and teach them everything, and after MONTHS they are ready to lay new eggs. In animal farms they must lay eggs every day, it's not natural, and weakens them a lot, sometimes to death. In any case, they are killed after 18 months, because statistically they can't stand production standards any more.

Posted October 2nd, 2013 - 9:22 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Thank you Francesca for your clear explanations about the daily productions about eggs. SOmetime I'm very doubtful about eating eggs.

I will not have anymore. I don't want to be part anymore of pushing any animal to do a work that they are to suppose to do every day.

My thanks to King Kotak also for bringing the subject eggs to our attention

Posted October 2nd, 2013 - 3:30 pm by from Padova, Italy (Permalink)
You are welcome! Have a super nice evening ;-)

Posted October 2nd, 2013 - 7:04 pm by from Mumbai, India (Permalink)
Yea I see we all had a healthy discussion on this ...

Lets come to the second point now

Do u guys have any clue on what came first ?
Eggs or Hen ???

Confused yet again :p

Posted October 3rd, 2013 - 12:29 pm by from Valencia, Spain (Permalink)
That's a good question!
As you can imagine any of these things appeared from nowhere, neither the chicken nor the egg. Living things have followed an evolution and the chicken and the egg are the result of that evolution.Like any living being.

Posted October 5th, 2013 - 10:49 pm by from Changchun, China (Permalink)
hello Alm,I appreciated your view!yeah,life just a circle,which first just like to find a start point or an end point in a ring!

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Posted October 7th, 2013 - 7:44 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
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Posted October 7th, 2013 - 7:46 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
Hen! Again it will take a long explanation! Being an Indian, if you know about Vedas, then you can know about how "Amaithuni Srishti" is made at the time of evolution of earth and creatures. It will give you the clear answer. But you should be interested and devoted to know the details. If this question is not meant to make fun or time pass or just an invitation for debate, but if you are really interested to know the answer, then Vedic knowledge has it. I would recommend you to contact nearest Vedic school, or a knowledgeable person from Arya Samaj, or any Vedic Gurukul, where Vedas are taught. There you will be able to get the explanation and you will be convinced. All the best! Share and spread knowledge! Spread peace and happiness with it!

Posted October 7th, 2013 - 9:45 am by from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of) (Permalink)
Hi Cherie,
When I hear you say "Hens lay eggs almost every day of their lives, just like women do every month. It has nothing to do with producing a new life; without fertilization, I see it as a gift from the hen to me. I always, when cracking open an egg, say "Thank you, Hen!". I want to share the fact that hens do not naturally lay eggs every day of their lives. Most hens I have meet have been breed and conditioned through industrial practices "Rather than the 20-30 eggs they would lay naturally each year, industrially farmed hens lay more than 275 eggs per year. [4] The calcium devoted to this volume of egg laying leaves their bones extremely brittle and prone to breaking. In addition, the hens’ legs, wings, and heads commonly become entangled in the wire cages, causing them to be trampled by their cage mates. At any given time, thousands of hens are simultaneously chirping in distress.

After 18-24 months, their laying rate begins to decline, at which point the industry considers them “spent” and sends them to slaughter."- http://www.foodispower.org/hens-raised-for-eggs/
"free range" Eggs are not without cruel exploitative practices either." Generally "free-range" means that the animals are not kept in cages. However, they are commonly confined indoors, sometimes in very crowded conditions. Practices like "debeaking" and force molting can also be found on "free-range" farms."- http://www.veganpeace.com/animal_cruelty/eggs.htm

Perhaps you will reconsider your views ?

Posted October 7th, 2013 - 1:41 pm by from Langley, United States (Permalink)
I wasn't referring to hens in industrial situations.
I was referring to hens in a cage free, natural environment.

As hard as it is for you to grasp, the chickens I have been a guardian of, lay an egg just about every day, and then have a season of molting during which they don't lay, then they begin laying again.

How many hens have you taken care of?

Cherie

Posted October 8th, 2013 - 11:00 pm by from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of) (Permalink)
If they are cage free and in a natural environment , do you mean roosting in treetops in a forest?
Chickens are breed, enslaved and are not free, even sanctuary cared for chickens need fencing to protect them.
Eating eggs is eating animals, even if you can convince yourself its totally fine, its not happening in a vacuum.It happens in a world full of exploitation.

Posted October 10th, 2013 - 8:00 am by from Mumbai, India (Permalink)
I got my point cleared and have another question ready ...if ull are ready for it den lets do this ... i loveeeeeeeeee debates

Posted October 28th, 2013 - 3:22 am from Luque, Paraguay
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Posted October 28th, 2013 - 3:41 am by from Ubud, Indonesia (Permalink)
Exploitation and kindness are incompatible : exactly, small or big exploitation...

Posted October 28th, 2013 - 7:15 am by from Shanghai, China (Permalink)
I agree with your saying!

Posted October 7th, 2013 - 7:30 am by from New Delhi, India (Permalink)
Without any long explanation, I will write here that Egg is non vegetarian. Just take a small example to confirm. Check a biscuit or chocolate packet. Veg is marked Green and with egg is marked Red. This very small example should be enough to convince you. Otherwise, there is a long explanation to prove it too.

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Posted October 21st, 2013 - 1:37 am by from Ubud, Indonesia (Permalink)
To feed a human being with eggs or dairy products it is necessary to kill animals. The hen who give the egg, the cow who give milk, the calf at which we fly milk, all end up at the slaughterhouse. When a man eats meat, or dairy products and eggs, for the animals, the result is the same : the murder.

Posted October 21st, 2013 - 3:37 am by from Yogyakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
I disagree with u cause to eat eggs and dairy products no need to kill the animal. People killed animals cause they need the meat so im vegetarian but im still eat eggs and dairy products

Posted October 21st, 2013 - 4:02 am by from Ubud, Indonesia (Permalink)
It is possible to provide dairy products and eggs to consumers only because it's possible to produced meat . To produce milk it's necessary to kill calves and dairy cows who are sent to slaughter after about 5 years ( when she can live 15 or 20 years usually) . All hens who produce eggs end also at the slaughterhouse. Is what you can imagine two worlds? A vegetarian world in which all humans eat dairy products and eggs but no meat . And a vegan world. A vegan world is possible. A vegetarian world is not possible because for cheeses (for example) it's necessary to raise cows and to kill them to make the business profitable. This is true for small farmers , organic farming and industry. The cow's milk is good for calves, not for men, this is nature. Human babies should drink milk from their mother and when they are adults they become lactose intolerant if they continue to drink or they have health problems with it. You can continue to eat dairy products, I do not judge you. But the truth is that if you are a vegetarian for animal rights, for your health and the environment then you must become vegan.

Posted October 21st, 2013 - 10:29 am by from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of) (Permalink)
Hens eggs are menstruation, their is no comparison, they are the same. They will become chicks if fertilized by a male chicken.Just as a humans eggs will if fertilized by a human male. Eating eggs is taking something which belongs to the female chicken that laid them. if the chicken was human it would be called theft.By taking whats theirs we show disrespect and superiority simply because they are not protected by society and are seen as property. This does not recognize their right to bodily integrity and liberty. So eating any thing taken from any animal perpetuates exploitation and abuse. The starting point in addressing this is to live vegan.Anything less is still part of the exploitative system, no matter how its dressed up , how traditional,normalised or religious it seems. luckily for almost everyone living on a vegan diet is easy and only brings benefits to you, the non human animals and our planet. So what are you waiting for?

Posted October 21st, 2013 - 11:07 am by from Ubud, Indonesia (Permalink)
I agree completely!