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New Terms of use
Posted August 25th, 2012 - 10:57 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Is anyone aware of this?

«Note: CouchSurfing is updating our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. These new policies will go into effect on September 14, 2012.»

From the new ToU:

«5.3 Member Content License. If you post Member Content to our Services, you hereby grant us a perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, have distributed and promote such Member Content in any form, in all media now known or hereinafter created and for any purpose, including without limitation the right to use your name, likeness, voice or identity. [...]»

Was it really needed to make the new licence even broader? Now CouchSurfing Inc. can use my «name, likeness, voice or identity without limitation»? How is that even legal?

Posted August 25th, 2012 - 11:26 pm from Thetford, United States
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Posted August 26th, 2012 - 12:28 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
The licence you posted is an example of an acceptable licence.

Google says: «The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones.»

CS says: «If you post Member Content to our Services, you hereby grant us a perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, have distributed and promote such Member Content in any form, in all media now known or hereinafter created and for any purpose, including without limitation the right to use your name, likeness, voice or identity

How can they look to you similar? They are quite far away, especially because Google specify a purpose and gives limits.

The one from CS is from a completely different universe, and has the purpose of taking away every possible imaginable limit.

I am no lawyer, but what I read in CS ToU is: «we can use your name, voice or identity for any purpose and without limitation, for free and for ever. And of course, we can sublicence all those rights to whomever we want.»



And here is another pearl from the Privacy Policy:

«We may change the provisions of this Privacy Policy from time to time. If we make changes, we will notify you, including by revising the date at the top of this policy. We encourage you to review the Privacy Policy whenever you use our Services to stay informed about our information practices and the ways you can help protect your privacy

They are saying that if they change the policy, there is this comfortable possibility: instead of they telling us with a proper announcement, every time we post something on CS we are encouraged to go to that page and check if the date has changed, and if so, go through the whole thing to discover what actually changed?

Me no like it.

Posted August 26th, 2012 - 8:49 am by from Copenhagen, Denmark (Permalink)
So their business model could be to sell our informations?

Posted August 26th, 2012 - 9:54 am from London, England
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Posted August 26th, 2012 - 10:42 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
@Alex: the «amusing aside» is that Facebook license (as the Google one) is way less permissive of the (former and future) CouchSurfing one. Nonetheless, there are complaints and legal battles (e.g. EU vs FB) against the FB and G+ license, none against CS license.

Here you have the relevant parts, just to compare [emphasis mine]:

«2. Sharing Your Content and Information

You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:

2.1. For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.


[...]

14. Amendments


14.1 We can change this Statement if we provide you notice (by posting the change on the Facebook Site Governance Page) and an opportunity to comment. To get notice of any future changes to this Statement, visit our Facebook Site Governance Page and "like" the Page.»

Pretty different, isn't it?

Any way, I am going to continue the discussion in the BS-R forum, to let more people participate.

Ciao ciao,
Piergi

Posted August 26th, 2012 - 11:12 am from London, England
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Posted August 27th, 2012 - 7:11 pm from Los Angeles, United States
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Posted September 2nd, 2012 - 1:51 pm from Los Angeles, United States
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Posted August 28th, 2012 - 8:05 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
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Posted August 28th, 2012 - 8:06 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Edward: «
don't think you should be using Facebook, of all companies, or Google,
as example of good corporate citizens who have your personal privacy
issues at heart»



Indeed! G and FB are known to have had several problems—including at government level—with privacy issues. Nonetheless, even their licenses are somehow better of CS new ToU.

Posted September 1st, 2012 - 2:39 pm from Batu Ferringhi, Malaysia
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