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What to do with a girl passed out on your couch !!
Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 5:20 am from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 1:58 pm from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 2:06 pm from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 2:15 pm from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 2:43 pm from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 3:37 pm from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 4:04 pm from Riga, Latvia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 4:39 pm from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 6:42 pm from Burlington, United States
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 2:31 am from Tokyo, Japan
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 3:42 am from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 7:59 am from Moscow, Russia
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 8:02 am from Riga, Latvia
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 7:55 pm by from Krakow, Poland (Permalink)
+1 to Simon.

Posted March 24th, 2013 - 10:28 pm from Roseville, Australia
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 8:24 am from Los Angeles, United States
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 12:40 am from Perth, Australia
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 10:16 am from Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 11:25 am by from Fairbanks, United States (Permalink)
ookkaayyy so it looks to me a bit like there's a cultural difference going on here? in australia (and i think america?) in the past few months rape victims apparently 'asking for it' by the way they dress, level of intoxication, flirtation, etc. and seemingly encouraging e, only to say 'no' when the time came. this has been a real 'buzz' topic in the media lately. my newsfeed is rife with videos like this- pictures of people statistics, surveys with beliefs of high school kids... a picture women naked in the street holding a sign saying 'still not "asking for it!"' and all sorts.

i think sharon is probably hearing the same media and seeing the same sorts of things shared by her friends as i am, and she saw one that related to couchsurfing, (simply because the girl's on a couch) it's sweet, and well meaning. so she shared it with us in the hopes of sharing a few smiles.

now maybe this issue isnt getting as much media coverage elsewhere as it is here. maybe the debate isn't as heated in other areas. people who see that video, without the context of the greater recent media around the issue, very well might take it wrongly and ask 'why is that presented to US? this is blatantly obvious!' and that's understandable. but please know that im sure this was not sharons intent.

i found the video cute with an important message. and i thank you for sharing.

Posted March 24th, 2013 - 12:02 pm from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 3:38 pm from New York, United States
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 9:20 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted March 24th, 2013 - 11:54 pm from New York, United States
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 12:12 am from Roseville, Australia
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 12:37 am by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
One of the biggest problems in today's society especially with respect for women is the overall perception that victims have somehow attributed to their own downfall.

How they dress, how they act etc. Under no circumstances should anyone blame the girl(or boy) who got drunk and passed out on a strangers couch for her own assault it is never her fault & to think that you need to go live 100 years ago where that train of thought is ok. Blame her for getting drunk and passing out on your couch but never blame her for being assaulted.

When Golda Meir was asked to place a curfew on women to help end a
series of rapes, Meir replied by stating, “But it is the men who are attacking the women. If there is to be a curfew, let the men stay at home.”

If you have an opposite mentality than you are wrong. You are flat out wrong and you are contributing to a society of sexism. The video was a light hearted attempt to make a point that it is all of our responsiblity to NOT assault the women passed out on the couch. Stop over analysing it and just see it for what it is.

Posted March 25th, 2013 - 11:14 am from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 2:01 pm from New York, United States
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 2:31 pm from New York, United States
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Posted March 27th, 2013 - 9:29 am from Roseville, Australia
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Posted April 1st, 2013 - 9:55 pm from New York, United States
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Posted April 1st, 2013 - 11:58 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
Just empowering personal safety is rubbish and gives out the wrong message that its ok to assault anyone who dresses like a slut or walks down dark alleys.

I'm not suggesting people shouldn't take their own safety into account I'm saying we need to have an active role to change the perceptions of society that rape/assault is the victims fault. The more we take away that power the safer our streets will be.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 12:13 am from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:05 am by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
It is the wrong message and it is in the wrong place.

I disagree I think its a perfectly reasonable message that more people should watch and take to heart.

I disagree that its suggesting its ok for women to pass out on someones couch drunk. And I disagree that after watching this more women will think its ok.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:06 am by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
also its interesting to see there are no females who have spoken against this video.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:28 am from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:30 am by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
i think we should agree to disagree I can't see anything in the guidelines which disproves either of us.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 3:21 am from Roseville, Australia
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 10:08 am from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 10:50 am from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:36 pm by from Chapel Hill, United States (Permalink)
Quote Matt: "If I strip off naked, take a massive amount of drugs and go pass out down some back alleyway and get robbed / mugged/ raped etc, its partly my fault, had I stayed sober and got a taxi home I'd probably be fine."

You may *feel* that it is your fault, but legally it is not your fault. You are more likely to keep your property if you act responsibly, but it is still illegal to take what isn't yours no matter how inviting the situation. Anything other than that is victim blaming.

You are responsible for your medical condition, any vomiting, any diarrhea, any exposure related health effects, etc, that directly results from your ingestion of illicit substances and choice of sleeping place.

You are not responsible for someone else breaking the law, unless you directly solicited their criminal act. (as in hired a hit man)

So it is truly irresponsible for a lady to get stinking drunk and pass out on a couch, yes. She should have better sense than that. And it is also quite rude to her host.

But the entire fault lies on the person who rapes the victim. Period. If you cannot keep your shit in your pants when around unconscious others, then you need serious help. Serious help.

Anything other than that is victim blaming.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:40 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:52 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 1:57 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 2:04 pm by from Chapel Hill, United States (Permalink)
Quote Matt "However the problem is if people actually live that way, for example its ilegal to rob a bank, but people rob banks, because of this banks take out insurance,"

That is called prudence. When I said you are more likely to keep your property if you take defensive behavior, this is what I am talking about. It has nothing to do with the law or the fact that bank robbers shouldn't be breaking the law to begin with and when they do break the law they have committed an illegal act.

Quote Matt: "A bank not having any security is irresponsible,"

The bank is certainly not prudent, that is for sure. But it is in no way culpable for the actions of bank robbers. And it acted in an irresponsible way with the monies that were entrusted to it by its clientèle.

Quote Matt: "passing out from overdosing on drugs (example alohol) in an apartment of someone you haven't met is also irresponsible"

Again, in this case the only person who would have been harmed is the couch's owner/host as if the girl wants to get intoxicated then that is between herself and her body. You seem to have an issue with where she chooses to pass out and this might be criminal tresspass if you want to find a crime to pin on her. But it is not rape.

Quote Matt: "simply only empathizing "if someone bad does a crime only the criminal is at fault" is IMO irresponsible."

You are entitled to your opinion, but please know that it is factually incorrect. Unless you directly solicit a crime, only the criminal is at fault for committing an illegal act. Period. Full stop.

Quote Matt "if someone doesn't lock their car in a bad neighbourhood, people will say "well that was an irresponsible thing to do"."

Please tell me that you know the difference between what "some people will say" and what is actually punishable by law? Some people say a lot of things. Most of them wrong. Yes, it wasn't prudent to put your car into a position that was statistically likely to result in it being stolen, but as I said before, it is illegal to take what isn't yours no matter how inviting the situation so if the police catch the car thief, that car thief is going to jail and the car owner will not be. Do you see the difference, here? What Aunt Biddy clucks her tongue about to someone over a gossipy cup of tea has no legal standing here.

I think you are confusing opinion and law.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 2:20 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 4:57 pm by from Chapel Hill, United States (Permalink)
"All I've said there is that only empathizing on the criminal is irresponsible,"

Implying that the victim could have done anything to prevent a crime from occurring is victim blaming. Rape can occur even in the most seemingly safe of circumstances. My mother was sexually assaulted inside of the women's restroom of a locked campus building regularly patrolled by campus police with security cameras in evidence (she is faculty, had a key, and was working on a day prior to the start of term to get things in order for classes to begin).

Instead, if you want to talk about pre-rape warning messages that we can send rather than post-rape culpability, I believe the message of: "Make sure you have explicit permission before you engage in a sex act and if you don't for any reason, keep your shit in your pants." is the way to go.

We are something more unique than animals as we are capable of controlling our impulsiveness. Some people aren't, but there are always bad eggs. I refuse to live my life taking responsibility for someone else's lack of impulse control by wearing certain clothes, going certain places, or doing certain things so that they] aren't tempted.

I think the conversation needs to be "Don't rape," rather than "Don't get raped." Just as the conversation is "Don't steal", "Don't murder", and "Don't commit arson."

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 5:15 pm from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 5:24 pm by from Chapel Hill, United States (Permalink)
Simon "So if a couchsurfer gets into bed with me stark naked in the middle of the night, should I keep some consent forms under my pillow and get her to sign one before anything happens?"

Try saying in sexy, husky voice, "So I take it this means you want to shag?"

It is a yes or no question. If the surfer says yes, mmmm-hmmm, nods his or her head, or in other ways gives a positive response, then you have your explicit consent.

If you don't get a response, then no matter how naked or in your bed the surfer may be, any sexual intercourse at that point is rape.

If you get a negative response, same thing as above.

The whole consent forms thing is a red herring that people throw in to this conversation mostly because they are afraid of asking a direct question that has, as one option, the possibility of being rejected.

For what it is worth, I've always clarified with any sexual partners and made explicit just what I wanted to do. Most of my sexual partners have asked in advance. It just seems the gentlemanly or ladylike thing to do, along with being in keeping with the law.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 5:16 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 5:18 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 5:30 pm by from Chapel Hill, United States (Permalink)
Matt, we disagree on one fundamental point. You don't see that you are victim blaming. I cannot make you see that.

We agree that it is rude for a person to impose their drunken, passed out selves on someone else (the CouchHost).

We agree that someone who rapes an unconscious other has committed a crime for which he or she is fully responsible because he or she couldn't not rape.

I think I am going to leave this here and be happy that you so care for the safety of your children that you want to protect them. I leave you with one last thought: That you are sending them the unconscious message that should something happen to them from being mugged to being hit by a car when crossing the street to them being raped, that their thoughts will turn inward and they will blame themselves because daddy always told them not to do X in order to prevent Y and Y happened to them so they must have done X or something like X.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 6:55 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 10:06 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
Thanks J you speak so much more eloquently than me. I wish more people would wake up and stop victim blaming. The sooner that kind of thinking is eradicated the better for everyone.

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 10:38 pm from Roseville, Australia
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 2:02 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
The fact that this is being debated in such a way, in a community like this, is making me really sad.

How many times have you told someone about couchsurfing, and they exclaimed: "Oh my god, you're taking strangers into your house? You're just asking to get mugged!"

It's pretty much the same thing.

As a solo female traveller and hitchhiker, I am constantly told that I should be scared, careful and best stay at home and never leave. It's exhausting, and insulting, both to women and men. Because it implies that all men are these predatory animals who can barely contain themselves, and will jump at you at the slightest chance. I personally know many men, and I can assure you that this is not true.

As people like Michael and J have pointed out, all this video is trying to do is shift the conversation from talking about (and blaming) the victim to talking about the rapist. This is an incredibly overdue step.

What the guy in the video is doing is not the slightest bit "rewarding". Have you thought about the possible reasons why someone would get drunk and pass out? Maybe she has had a really tough time. Maybe he is her friend (the vast majority of rapes happen between people who know each other). Maybe she feels that she is in a safe environment and can let her guard down. The point is, he is treating her like a person, and not a *body*.

Also, saying that this is "rewarding bad behavior" implies that women are like children and need to be educated. I find that extremely offensive.

The very nature of this debate shows that yes, there is a need to show videos like that. Even in this oh-so-enlightened amb forum.

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 2:13 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 10:10 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
anyway why are we comparing insurance policies to criminal investigations.

If you left your car unlocked and it was stolen would the police let the criminal off because you left it unlocked?

Insurance & Crime are like apples & oranges.

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 10:26 pm from Liverpool, England
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 11:06 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
In a rape trial the jury might not convict if you you got drink and passed out in a strangers house.

what a horrible ignorant jury. thank god that wouldn't happen in my country.

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 11:28 pm from Dublin, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 11:57 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
what's that got to do with a jury aquitting someone based on an unlocked door? there wasn't enough evidence thats an entirely different situation.

but lets be honest anyway I'm sure back maybe 20 years those kind of cavemen attitudes did influence cases. Isnt that the defense of the gang rape accused in India? That she asked for it by walking alone at night??

Posted April 8th, 2013 - 3:27 am by from Rapid City, United States (Permalink)
My parents always brought me up this way, when I was a child I had to be home before dark, its a common fact there is more people on the streets during the day to look out for you and you're less likely to get hit riding a push bike during the day, however by your logic I'm guessing you tell your children "its ok to ride a bike during the dark, even if you have no light, the driver of the car has to look out fo you."

Rubbish. You accidentally get hit by a car, or fall off a cliff, or get the clap. You don't accidentally get raped.

This is what YOUR logic reminds me of:

"Hey look, someone up ahead on the road bike. Sweet! Easy target!!!" Swerve. Crunch...... And the Jury says, "Well, too bad he made himself an easy target. He should have known that some of these people just can't control themselves when they see an easy target on a bike. He was obviously TEMPTIMG someone to grease him, and I guess he got what he was asking for! Ahem. Not guilty."

Rape is not an accident. If I fall off a cliff because i'm being stupid, THAT's an accicent. If someone pushes me off, that's murder. If I get hit by a car because I'm being stupid, accident. Someone intentionally greases me, murder. Where are you going to fit rape into this? If a woman walks down the street half naked and drunk and a man forces sex on her... accident?

I could extend this to the other back-ass garbage logic I read above, a feeble attempt to relate getting raped to getting attacked by an animal in the woods. Yes, I actually read that, somewhere, way up there.

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 2:15 am from New York, United States
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Posted March 25th, 2013 - 1:21 pm by from Auckland, New Zealand (Permalink)
Firstly, after watching "The Shortest PSA"(Holy pretentiousness batman!), a scene from Community resonated in my mind and I managed to find a remixed clip of it: http://youtu.be/IVohBBNYOks

After reading through a few posts(awesome stuff Simon and Sergio), the key question I have on my mind is Why did you think we should share this on our place page/Local CS community to begin with?...if you had included that with your two lines of vagueness, this angst may have been avoided...

I'd assume most(or though have known a few)surfers would make an informed choice to crash on a persons couch due to a host's ref. history and I assume that host(if had a situation like this happen), would take care of their guest similar to how vid shows plus maybe going the extra mile of a bucket by her head(more so to stop them puking all over the rug)...alternatively(due to Simon's remark of if it was a stranger), There's a few choices.
1, as above.
2, let her be...
or 3, call the cops!!! as how the fuck did this chick find her way in your house and on your couch???

I understand this is in regards to the Steubenville rape case and if there was ever something I'd share in regards to this, it would be by this awesome Mother of 3(boys)post: http://www.laughmom.com/2013/03/i-am-so-fucking-sick-of-teaching-our-daughters-not-to-get-raped/

Thank you for now having Chang stuck on my mind(since seeing that vid)! Just for that, I'm hoping this will keep him in your head too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXvPYp_Hi5o

Posted April 2nd, 2013 - 4:26 pm from Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted April 8th, 2013 - 9:59 pm by from Darwin, Australia (Permalink)
Please share freely so that pilots will know to check their engines before 'Take Off'.

I'm not sure he is aware that this is protocol and Pilots must check their engines before take off. Safety around planes is not a joke.