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Posted February 21st, 2013 - 8:23 am by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Has anyone taken either Russian or Ukrainian Language courses ?

I am looking for Courses and basically all that I am finding places like this http://www.studyukrainian.org.ua/en/programs/slcp/summer-language-culture-program-fees (about 3600 USD) in Lviv, Kiev and Odessa. They seem crazy expensive. I don't mind going outside the major cities (I prefer it actually) to find something more reasonably priced.

Has anyone gone to a language school in Ukraine they can recommend. That would be immersive yet inexpensive. As much as I love Kiev one of the problems is that I can get English menu's see a lot of English text around find English speakers etc.

I am also looking at Belarus. Belarus State University is far cheaper than anything I have seen in Ukraine so far and should hopefully isolate me a bit from the English language! http://www.bsu.by/Cache/pdf/61443.pdf (about $600 for the equivalent course)

That said I would love to have a Ukrainian option.

Posted February 21st, 2013 - 10:00 am from Belgrade, Serbia
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Posted February 21st, 2013 - 2:53 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Thanks for the quick reply Niki! 350 EURO is much more reasonable. I will still be on the lookout for a even better deal. )))

I took a look at Ivan Franko National University and when I clicked on the summer courses it was a broken hyperlink :/. If you do not mind I would happily accept more information about the course. Did you feel you were able to really learn something in 4 weeks? Where there longer summer programs??

I agree about lviv having less English than Kiev I found it a bit more difficult getting around there when I visited. ))

Thanks

Jonathan

Posted February 21st, 2013 - 11:05 am from Sevastopol, Ukraine
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Posted February 21st, 2013 - 2:56 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Thanks for the link Sevastopol sadly they all their 2012 classes are full so you cannot see the prices and they have not updated the site for 2013!! I'll have to keep this site in my back pocket. ))

-Jonathan

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 4:01 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Another question Looking at these Universities I see they often ask for:

─ Notarized copy of the Certificate of education with grades obtained;

copy of the certificate of complete national secondary education and points received in academic subjects;

So are these courses only available to someone active in a degree program?? What do they want a College transcript or degree??

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Posted February 24th, 2013 - 9:35 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
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Posted February 24th, 2013 - 8:44 pm by from Khmelnytskyi, Ukraine (Permalink)
Hi!
Try this school: http://www.ola.km.ua/en/
Its located in my city Khmelnitsky which is not so big.
I don't know the prices for foreigners, but the prices for other language courses here are quite reasonable.

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 9:19 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Thank you Lena

Khmelnitsky looks like a nice little city. I emailed OLA for more info. Cost of lessons, cost of accommodation etc.

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 9:32 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Thanks Ann for the reccomendation,

It looks like a nice college and Kiev is a beautiful city I do like it there but sadly it is more expensive than other cities in Ukraine.(( If this site is to believed I can expect to pay about 700 USD a month for an Apartment!! Unless you know the secret of finding a cheap place to stay for 3 months!!

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&city=Kiev&displayCurrency=USD

I will have to keep it in mind though. Thanks again!))

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 10:09 pm by from Kyiv, Ukraine (Permalink)
You definitely can rent smth cheaper. For example here are some 1-room apt: http://dom.ria.ua/ru/search/?category=1&realty_type=0&advert_type=3&state_id=10&cities%5B%5D=10&characteristic%5B209%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B209%5D%5Bto%5D=1&characteristic%5B214%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B214%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&characteristic%5B216%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B216%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&characteristic%5B218%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B218%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&characteristic%5B227%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B227%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&characteristic%5B228%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B228%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&characteristic%5B235%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B235%5D%5Bto%5D=500&characteristic%5B246%5D=243&characteristic%5B280%5D%5Bfrom%5D=%D0%BE%D1%82&characteristic%5B280%5D%5Bto%5D=%D0%B4%D0%BE&with_phone=&realty_id=&date_from=&date_to=&textsearch=

Sorry, it is big link, and they have no English version of site. But as I see here the average price is 3000-3500 UAH (~500 USD). Also I believe that University provides cheap dormitory for international students.

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 10:52 pm by from Copenhagen, Denmark (Permalink)
From 758 characters to 26: :-)

http://tinyurl.com/d5yupju

I'll be paying something like 1400 Euro for a month in a one-bed room in Kiev center. I may want to find something after that at more "native" prices (I'll be in Ukraine for some more months). Would also consider finding a school/teacher in another place than Kiev. And Kiev is nice, but I think I'm ready for "going native" (with a little help). Nothing against Ukrainian, but Russian is difficult enough, so it should be in either the east or Crimea/Odessa, i.e. the mainly Russophone parts of Ukraine.

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 9:17 pm by from Kyiv, Ukraine (Permalink)
Hi Jonathan!
I'm not sure about the prices but I highly recommend this University, as it is one of the best in Ukraine. http://summerschool.ukma.kiev.ua/ http://www.dfc.ukma.kiev.ua/coming-to-naukma/ukrainian-language-courses

Posted February 24th, 2013 - 11:42 pm by from Tbilisi, Georgia (Permalink)
Hello. I studied Russian at the preparatory faculty for foreign students of a university in Kiev for an academic year (2011-2012, KNEU, kneu.edu.ua, go with a friend because only minimal English is spoken at the dpt. for foreign students). There are many universities which propose equivalent programs throughout Ukraine, in Ukrainian or Russian.

My estimated costs for the university year 2011-2012 were: USD 1400 for university fee (some other universities were asking for 2000-2200 USD, all of which will be higher now in 2013, avoid Schevchenko University which is at least twice as expensive for the same program) + about 1000 UAH for medical insurance (seems compulsory unless you can show prof of insurance) + cost of medical check-ups (2000+ UAH if you go to a private clinic where they speak English and much cheaper if you have someone speaking Uk/Ru with you and you go to a local hospital) + cost of compulsory HIV test + cost of translation and notarizing your passport and your previous degrees + cost of Visa in your country + all the costs related to the registration in Ukraine (you got only a 1 entry student visa and had to convert it to a residence permit and multiple entry visa it by registering with OVIR ; a new system of residence permits has been implemented since - they will know at university. Do note that it seems more and more difficult to avoid the university dorms because registrating at an apartment you'd rent outside of uni. seems increasingly difficult. Pl. note that the dorms at Schevchenko University for foreigners were also substantially more expensive than at other universities). Living expenses and traveling costs are not included here of course. I think I haven't forgotten anything substantial.

At the university of Trade and Economics, a French guy who was studying in 2010-2011 was telling me how the police sometimes came to check attendance registries at the university or the dorm (I can't remember which one). I don't know how strict they are for students who wouldn't come to class but on paper at least, your stay is conditioned by you going to class. At my university, teachers were good, it was quite intensive (3 hours / day, 5 days / week + homework) during the first semester... Second semester, we had also mathematics, geography, economics and computer science in Russian. Maybe you can skip them if you're only interested in the language, but they were other occasions to learn the language... in a different way. These other subjects were focused on giving students the basics tools and vocabulary to cope with the first year of university the following year.

And finally at any university they will tell you whether there's a law passed in 2012 which would prohibit foreigners born before 1986 to apply at university (probably in a bid to avoid many living in Ukraine as students but actually working). I haven't had confirmation of that law (only 1 source so far).

For short term study programs (3 months or less), I met many foreigners who were studying at Nova Mova, http://www.learnrussiankiev.com/, check their prices on the website.
Hope it helps.

Posted February 26th, 2013 - 8:54 am by from Feodosiya, Ukraine (Permalink)
Hi Jon, for me its not quiet clear for what aims you do want to learn "either" Ukranian or Russian language.
Is it equal to you which language ?

Moreover: Do you really want to learn the language, which means how people speak in reality on the streets, or will you need a sort of a "official certificate" at the end of the course ?

As for accomodation:
Almost in every big city in Ukraine there are hostels situated in the very centre, where you can live for approx. US$ 10 / day in a bunk-bed with some other traveller-fellows. Or will you need an individual flat ?

best regards, Граф Калиостро

Posted February 26th, 2013 - 4:07 pm by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Remi,

Thanks for the info I need to checkup on that university law because I was born in 1981. ((


Граф,

Russian is preferred because it is more portable though the 2 languages I hear are very close and I like Ukraine.

I would like to learn the language and I do not care for a certificate. I have tried some private tutoring I learned some but it hasn't worked so far.

For Accommodation: I am familiar with hostels I stayed in a bunch of them when I was in Kiev,Odessa,Lviv,Sevastopol,Simferopol etc. last year. I also know that Accommodation can be inexpensive outside the big cities. I think I would want a flat this is more a factor of length of stay and cost.

Posted February 27th, 2013 - 8:34 am by from Tbilisi, Georgia (Permalink)
Hello Jonathan,

I tried tutoring also some 3 years ago. My experience is that it was good for a few things: alphabet, reading, writing and initiation to different aspects of the language (all of which eventually proved very useful to start at university) but the one-to-one interaction with the teacher kept the language at arm's length, at a comfortable distance.
In a group, in my case the class at university, you're carried away by the dynamics which the teachers create and find yourself having to say or write something in Russian when asked. That said, I finished that one academical year at university with more reading, writing and grammar skills than speaking skills. I'm happy I have a very good basis in basic Russian grammar.
The issue in Kyiv for me was that most of my friends got used to speaking other languages with me before I started learning Russian. I had to leave and go speak Russian in Saint-Petersburg for a month (standard 20h/week course at the Derzhavin Institute - http://www.derzhavin.com/, 4 people only in the group because of winter, lots of speaking practice, on the expensive side but excellent service and teachers) to finally dare speak in all sorts of circumstances. I have an intermediate level. Also, everyone has their own - differing - story and path learning a new language, especially as an adult.

About accommodation in Kyiv, check the "Kyiv - Rent a flat" group https://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=20991. My experience is that it's possible to find a room incl. utilities for about 3000 UAH in Kyiv, not central but well connected (e.g. within walking distance of a metro station). You can find for less but it's harder as a foreigner.

Don't know why I wrote such a long message. I hope it'll be useful to someone. Cheers,
Rémi.

Posted February 27th, 2013 - 10:44 am from Feodosiya, Ukraine
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Posted February 27th, 2013 - 11:07 am by from Tbilisi, Georgia (Permalink)
Agreed with Граф: the fines when you exit the country if you stayed more than 90 days in the previous 180 days seemed quite systematic (100 USD/800 UAH) from what I heard last year, the risks being not to have to pay that fine but to have a harder time getting visas in the future or even not to be allowed in again if this became policy. I'm not speaking about staying 95 days (more than the allowed 90 days max. as a tourist in a row, this will get you into even more trouble), I'm speaking about staying for example 89 days, get out and back in and then another 89 days.
This is why studying at the preparatory faculty of a state university is interesting because this can give you a permission to stay for the whole academical year.

Posted February 27th, 2013 - 2:56 pm from Feodosiya, Ukraine
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Posted February 28th, 2013 - 12:49 am by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
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Posted February 28th, 2013 - 12:51 am by from Pleasanton, United States (Permalink)
Thanks everyone for the replies.

I have been talking to someone from the OLA Language School in the link posted earlier.
I think that I will go with them and take classes for a couple months.
They also they have a program that if I teach English I can get a work visa through them
and stay a minimum of a year to teach English and they will also continue to provide
me with Russian language courses. But that will depend on a lot of factors including me
evaluating if I want to make the jump into teaching that I will learn after being there a little while.

Thanks again.

Posted February 28th, 2013 - 7:05 am by from Tbilisi, Georgia (Permalink)
I can imagine that being hired as a native teacher of English is the simplest way for a Ukrainian company to provide you with a visa and a residence permit. Good luck!