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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 4:05 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 4:15 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 4:19 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 6:05 pm by from Norwich, England (Permalink)
Thanks for getting this up and working again but i really don't like it ...

I have updated some of my friends following of course them... but hell... now i have to do it another 2 times ... and sooner or later i will have to do it for all the 200 who are there and the 58 that i have lost in the crash and the about 100 more that i will meet in my coming trip...

THAT's HELL for me ...and to EVERYONE ELSE I HAVE TALKED WITH.

PLEASE MAKE THOSE QUESTIONS OPTIONAL!!!! (the months too... I am always putting January now cause i don't remember)

I DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE INTO ANY DATA COLLECTION.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO COLLECT MY DATA!

I am already writing nonsense in the last questions.

Cheers,
Konstantinos

Posted October 2nd, 2006 - 7:18 pm from Pune, India
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 6:54 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 6:58 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 7:01 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 20th, 2006 - 11:34 pm by from Los Angeles, United States (Permalink)
Hey anyway to have the Eye stop sending me emails... Man my box is flooded with everyone updating the links...

thanks,

Marco

Posted July 20th, 2006 - 11:40 pm from Haag, Austria
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Posted July 21st, 2006 - 5:03 am by from Calgary, Canada (Permalink)
Awesome--awesome--to see the Friends back up! As much as you burned my ass with posts on the hyperboards, MIKKY, I concur with many of your concerns.

I've one hope (aside from parroting those above) that References and Friends be split up. Please, split them up! I can't imagine the number of people who say, "Hi!" to someone in Chat who will then add them as a friend (equivalent of the passë "link strength - 2")
AND
add a reference for them as well. Not everyone can read the English directions and translation, I imagine, is in the works. Confusion will abound, as with anything simple, but preventable in this case.

As this is such a significant change in the CS site, I am absolutely floored that only four people are discussing it here, eleven have joined this group, and others, I assume, are discussing it in another group that I've yet to find, or I don't know what else. Regardless, it's frustrating just to sit and wait to see what happens next.

Having said that, props to all those that--undoubtedly--put much, much time, energy, and effort into the changes and (potential) improvements to an idea that serves so many. Thank you for that!

Posted July 21st, 2006 - 5:07 am by from Calgary, Canada (Permalink)
I want the "title" to the References back. I want it!

I'm not changing my old ones as they hold more info and, simply, just look better. I'll hold off on the ones lost, too. Of course, that's only my opinion. I could be wrong.

Posted July 21st, 2006 - 5:53 am by from Kadikoy, Turkey (Permalink)
While I don't agree with everything said above... some parts are really important (in my opinion)!

1) Friend links and references SHOULD BE a DIFFERENT thing...

The way it worked for me in the previous version was that I could easily make friends, (if I didn't consider them importans contacts I would just give them a 2...), but the reference was another thing... I wouldn't get them easilly, I wouldn't give them easilly... and that made the whole thing mean something.

Now everyone who adds me to their friends list, can give me a reference, even if they don't quit now me that well. The jesture is nice, meaning that they like me from the first minute, BUT If everyone has tons of meaningless references, the idea is getting weaker, instead of stronger.

2) I think there are some useless info given in the procces of creating a friend link.
For example, the month is indeed useless info. Noone remembers the exact month they met someone... and not just because of the crash... if you check with what each one of the friends connecting writes, you will find that a very small percentage puts the same data (by the way, were does it show?).
Or also, why show in the profile that "link not recomended"... If I choose to have the link, and you allow it, don't show the not recomended part... ok, you recomended something, and I didn't agree. If you allow me, don't show...
Also, I totally agree with the idea of showing if someone has CS, or travelling experience with someone else, but puting the days... why? If that would have any meaning at all, just put three choises, a) a couple of days, b) more than a week, c) more than a month... I think that would do it... Don't make us calculate everything...

3) I think the friend types were better before. You could say more with a 3 and a 5 than you can say with couchsurfing friend, and friend... should they be diferent anyway?

4) The info at the end!
a) Why aren't they optional? And how are they going to be used for our safety? I don't have a problem with quaistionairs, I would gladly fill up anything asked, but I don't understand the reason for that...
b)Isn't it like saying "Ok, you wrote what you did, now tell us the truth, what do you think about this guy/girl, we won't tell"...
c) I suggest if there is any reason at all why that exists, to anounce it, and also the way it will be used, and make it optional.

To conclude, I find the friend links a very very important part of the CS profile, but they should be more carefully created. I think the idea is to make friends easilly (if you just met someone and you like him)... and have a lot of levels... so if someone has 100 friends, you can tell with one look how strong they are, and what kind. I totally agree with the surfed with/hosted/travelled options, I totally disagree with the friend/reference connection!
I salut the effort of puting it back on, and the fact that I am allowed to post my opinion, hope that someone reads it!
Cheers everyone!


Posted July 21st, 2006 - 9:01 pm by from Tampa, United States (Permalink)
Mariovic from Greece, efgharisto poji for pointing this out, I cannot explain how much I agree on the following:

!!!!! Friend links and references SHOULD BE a DIFFERENT thing... !!!!!

If you don't mind I'm gonna follow your line of posting here.. ;-)

1) .. The difference to a friend and a reference is huge. I had about 70 surfers of which 80% requested me as a friend afterwards and about 60% of those left me a ref. I gave most of my surfers a 4-friend-link in the old system: they were all decent people that repected my place and my personality and vice versa. I did not however became great big friends with all of them. Only about 5 people came that close. And I gave them a 10 or an 8 (again: according to the old system). The refs and friend links were a seperate thing, and I very much liked it like that. Mr Mariovic makes an EXCELLENT point. Now every random person can give me a ref when they haven't met me at all! I mean, can anyone say: 'HUH!??' The seperation made it more significant and indeed more meaningful. I seriously disagree with this features being combined.

2) .. "Don't make us calculate everything"
OY, love this argument! Like Mik said in the other amb discussion: 'I have always been kind of fearful all over the years when I saw HUMANS sorted by Numbers and Levels'
I am guessing that you guys need to keep up with certain statistics on this website to keep up with what is actually going on out there.. But is this the best way? I don't have an answer for that either. Regular polls? Announcements on that in the Shameless Newsletter? Just brainstorming here.

3) .. I agree again. In simple words: In comparison with the other system (more simple but somehow more clear) I prefer the other system.

4) .. The Info At The End.
This one bugs me the most. To my displeasure I found out that I couldn't 'option' this one. Ok. Fine. Then I started to think about your position ( CSC People ) and your argumentation on why to add it in the first place and broke it down a bit ..

"This section is COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS. Your responses will not be seen by anyone but yourself."
Why is it there then in the first place? If no one is gonna read it but yourself, shouldn't one have at least the option to see this?

Ok, then I hit "What is link quality" and got this: "Friendship Type
You can choose any level degree of friendship for both your on-line and 'real world' friends. Pick the degree that feels right to you, don't worry whether the type matches what your friend says. It's all subjective, it's ok if your answers are different."
Again with the same reaction: why is it there then?

Hell yeah, I get jumpy with questions like this, especially when they are "COMPLETELY ANONIMOUS ". Excuse my language but .. anonimous my ass .. There is no anonimity guys, and you know it .. :redfaced: Ahem. Ok.

I back up Mr Mariovic on his simple suggestion: If there is any reason at all why that exists; announce it, and also the way it will be used, and make it optional.

I have one rather big question to close this off:

What happened to approving or declining the friend link??

Respect,
Rux and Mafia






Posted July 21st, 2006 - 2:43 pm from Guatemala, Guatemala
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Posted July 21st, 2006 - 3:04 pm by from Tel Aviv-Yafo, Israel (Permalink)
OK, most of the stuff that bugged me has been mentioned, but what seriously bugs me is the classifications.

What do I write about my brother? He's in a different category than my friends. Where has the family link gone? Even the above recommended change, by Juan Carlos doesn't cover that. Family is friends, yes, but a different type of friends.

Other than that, what has been written here has been good stuff, and I look forward to seeing if any of the changes have been implemented.

Posted August 24th, 2006 - 5:14 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted August 24th, 2006 - 8:23 pm by from Barcelona, Spain (Permalink)
is this thread still alive?

good question - i think that this must be a dead-end forum because the suggestions we make are just going round and round in circles between us

is there somewhere better to post where the cs team can read the discussion and give some feed-back?

or maybe it's just that everyone is very tired after the rebuild and don't want to even think about changing anything at the moment ?