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Posted August 6th, 2009 - 12:29 pm from San Salvador, El Salvador
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Posted August 6th, 2009 - 1:18 pm by from Melbourne, Australia (Permalink)
Hey Svenja,
I read your post and those references on your page. It's an extremely serious crime. You and the others should lodge a police report as soon as possible.
Mike



Posted August 6th, 2009 - 2:27 pm by from Shah Alam, Malaysia (Permalink)
Oh my god !!! The Banditleader whom we all know ? I can't believe it !!!!

I'm so sorry Svenja this happened to you, and in my country. Yes, i agree with Mike. You should report the case to police.

So, this is why he deleted his profile ? The 'someone stood him up' is just an excuse ?


Yi-Wei

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 2:12 pm by from Johor Bahru, Malaysia (Permalink)
Sorry to hear that and it happened in Malaysia.
Agreed with Mike.Hope others will stand up and do not let it happened again.

Be happy and have a good tour in Malaysia.



Posted August 6th, 2009 - 2:32 pm by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
hi Svenja,

I thought he is the hero,or even a good cs.

I saw lot of ppl who support him in his last post, probably the malaysia really dont know his background, because i think most of us only see him either in the jungle or some gathering. which not able to see his true colour. That is why ppl thought that ur comment is not true.

and since, 3 girls already stood up which means, this is the truth. Glad that you r okay during that time.

Well, you shoud report to the police as soon as possible u know, dont delay it too long.

see u..

you are not alone.

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 2:52 pm from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:01 pm by from Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia (Permalink)
Legal action should be taken.....wrong always be wrong.. as this organization run international...there is no such thing as sympathy....

We are here to help each other....I did heard other problem happen in other country like Philippines...where a girl do cheat with other CS money.....

So, next time.... my suggestion is we must tell to our friends or family besides we post out to whom we going stay with.....

As to all ladies, please do not stay with male house specially malay as this against our rules. If you got caught, there will be a charges... this is not to make everyone scared but to remind...unless you in a group or the guy live with a family....

Lastly, please do not keep it silence if you think its wrong...

We Want Prevention Not Curing.....

Adam....

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:07 pm by from Sunnyvale, United States (Permalink)
Dear Svenja
I am sorry to hear that it happend to you but defenitly i apreciate your effort to disclose your bitter experiances, i will say it is important to understand the motives of your host, and the sourrounds where he will be more responsible. Sensitive issues cultural and Ethnical. it may be better to file a police report.
we stand with you .
take care . and move on

with regards
Kiran

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:20 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Serious allegations such as this should have been reported to MDST and the police. The guidelines for reporting any uncomfortable situation within CS can be found here http://www.couchsurfing.org/references.html

This is the reason why I suggested to the affected parties to report to MDST in Banditleader's farewell posting. We're here not to judge anybody.

Since Svenja pointed out the seriousness of the offence, it is utterly urgent for her to report to the MDST and the police.

I am also puzzled as to why this wasn't reported to the authorities much earlier.

Girls, ladies, cases like this should not be kept to yourselves.

Jasmin


Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:22 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Sorry, I meant to share this link http://www.couchsurfing.org/tips_for_surfers.html

Jasmin

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:23 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
OMG!!and here we are all fooled by his excuse..damn....thats scary!!yes,i think u shud lodge a complain and perhaps get those other who's been abused too to lodge a complain..guess now we know why he deleted his account..someone must have threatened him!or perhaps theres other victims too...well,ppl out there..juz be careful when u stay with ppl..coz we never know wuts gonna happen...hope this doesnt repeat...gosh!how ambarassing!!!!!!!

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:34 pm from Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted August 6th, 2009 - 3:53 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Svenja,

This is not the first time i heard this things happened in CS in Malaysia or elsewhere. I advise you to make a police report, you have his name and house address. You can contact any administrator or ambasaddor to asked for assistant.

Hope your bad experienced didnt left you a bad perception to other Malaysian

Cheers
Pika

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 4:40 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
What a horrendous news to know what had happened to you, Svenja. You are not alone. Many girls have experienced the same, though it might not necessarily involve banditleader. When three girls stood up against B, it is not a coincidence anymore. This matter should be taken seriously. I insist an immediate report to be made to the police station against B. We should not let him escape by making allegations to other people. Let him pay the price for the wrongful acts he had done to the girls.

Svenja’s bravery to blow Banditleader’s cover should be an exemplary to all girls who have had the same experience. An important note to make here is that unless you speak out, other people won’t know one’s true identity. If not for Svenja’s revelation, we would not know the truth and that Banditleader is the real culprit.

Svenja,
Should you want to make the police reports, it is advisable to bring someone who is well versed in Malaysian laws etc. It will make a big difference. If you go alone to make a report, there is a huge possibility that the police officer might not understand the spirit of cs. You may end up being blamed for mutually consent to live with a stranger for few days and that you should have expected the worse.

Cheers,
Farah.

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 4:43 pm by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
hi Farah,

oh i didnt thought of that wey...

u're right!

Svenja, remember to bring someone okie...

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 4:57 pm by from Melbourne, Australia (Permalink)
Svenja,
Further to what Farah and Hui Wen had to say:

— Take someone who is fluent in BM, and assertive enough to ensure the cops do their job properly.

— Lodge the report at HQ in KL, and with the Sex Crimes unit; insist on speaking to the highest-ranking female officer on duty.

— Note the names and badge numbers of all officers you deal with.

I say this because the Royal Malaysian Police has a pretty bad reputation, and it was borne out in my experience with it: I reported a flasher to the police (he was 50m from a park full of children!), and the cops' couldn't-care-less attitude was appalling. As far as I can tell, they did precisely nothing about it.

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 5:41 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Thanks a lot!

Hi Svenja & wonderful people of CS Malaysia ;)

Sorry to hear that you had such experience with a CS member.
This is indeed a serious allegation.

The accused has chosen to remove himself from this website and the only thing worth trying is to report immediately.
This member's profile has been deactivated.

However, a gentle reminder, it has been a week since it happened, and we all aware that police need evidence.
If you claimed that you've been drugged, they would ask you to perform urine test and IF it is true, there wouldn't be any trace of drug anymore :(

Please also ask the other girls to remind themselves NOT to be afraid nor use lame excuses for not giving anyone for that matter a NEGATIVE reference.

This is why it is important to leave APPROPRIATE reference to your guest/host.


Hope that helps ;)

Happy surfing!

Zach

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 4:17 pm by from Kepong, Malaysia (Permalink)
i believe everywhere do have its dangeroueness. if things happened like this CSer should contact moderator/ambassador to seek for help.

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 4:54 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
This is crazy and a lil humilating the fact that it happened in good old Malaysia....I am an active member of the London group and I have heard some weird stories amongst few Csers who visited Msia...Very sad, because of a tiny lot of you, the rest are dotted...

Svenja, step up and make a police report against this arse..no bloody use contacting the MDST team now... what can they do??delete his profile???Thats rubbish...he needs something more than that on him...Sometimes people need to be reminded what the Fish CS is all about...


Ash





Posted August 6th, 2009 - 6:11 pm by from Langkawi, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hey Svenja..!!

Sorry to hear.what happen to you...!!and agree with all of members you shud lodge a police report..let him know...!!!and to the "Top Gun" in CS please be alert..!!!!!to Adam...pse bit open yur mind n thinking..!!!!think i'm off from CS..!!!

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 6:32 pm by from Selangor, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Svenja,

i did read it on your page and also from the other girl's testimonial about her experience with banditleader.

Sorry to hear about it and do what you've gotta do to stand for the rights.

:) take care.

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 6:36 pm by from Batu Caves, Malaysia (Permalink)
Banditleader link http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/413e3e/

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 6:34 am by from Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia (Permalink)
To Rizal... sorry if my open comment will make an issue ... My intention is good.... and i'm just saying based own our law and what always happen.... but still anyone of us still can make their opinion... sorry... Here in Sabah, we are not 100% bind to that kinda of law, it just our culture like that...more freedom.... until it make us the most state that have illegal plp...hehehe...but still it kinda work...

by the way, this situation, happen due to that kinda opinion...where we except ladies to stay in the guys house without think what actually the consequences...UNLESS u in a group...

As i'm trying to point out again... prevention is better than curing...we've been taught well of this...

I can say I do know well both muslim and christian way of perception.... as I'm born as muslim with 99% of my family is strong Christian believer (Filipinos)...

So...lets end up here....
Lets make this as our point to be more careful and more aware....
Hope it wont make our famous "Malaysian Hospitality" get bad...

Thanx....

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 1:27 pm by from Langkawi, Malaysia (Permalink)
Adam..!!!

On this comment i'm with you..!!!by the way you are welcome to surf at my couch if you cross over on this part of the world...enjoy..to all CS enjoy surfing..!!

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 10:16 pm by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Svenja,

If you have been violated the 1st thing you needed to do when you're awake and sober is to immediatly leave his place and file a police report and contact a Female Ambassador, as the matter has passed some time it may take an uphill task to prove any case against him! You should take immediate action because by doing so you may have stopped a beast (innoncent until proven guilty!) from doing it again. Who knows what extent he'll go to next time?

It is sad but these kinda case do happen and once I kept on asking girls to be careful but I guess your case shows perhaps how many more that got away unnnoticed!

I know 1 thing for sure, if bandtleader is guilty, he probably knows that not many would report him as he didn't go all the way but like I said who knows?

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 11:24 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Why didn't you put this post on the Kuala Lumpur branch? That is where he is (was) more active, i assume where you found him?? I am also sorry if this happened to you, but i must also stress the importance of a single, female traveller being aware that if something like this happens, the FIRST thing you must do is contact the authorities so they can determine the legitimacy of the accusations!

How are we, the uninformed, to know the veracity of these claims? Do we chose to believe you and others (when, for all we know you ran into them, and convinced them to substantiate your baseless claims), or banditleader, whom many of us have met yet none of us (at least anyone i know) REALLY know well? I hope you understand the difficulty of the situation you place us in by not coming forward sooner. That being said, i am not denying the credibility of your claim, or minimizing your ordeal. quite the opposite, if it happened once, it may happen (to you!) again. Please be careful, and travel responsibly!

db

Posted August 6th, 2009 - 11:57 pm by from Montreal, Canada (Permalink)
Hi Svenja,

I am really sorry for what happened to you. This is a very serious case.
But, as it's serious, a CS public group is not a place to write a name or give a CS Profile address.
Even in Ambassadors Private groups, we are not supposed to post names or profilee address for such a case.
This case should be discussed ONLY by the Member Disputes and Safety Team.
You can contact them via :
http://www.couchsurfing.org/contact.html
"Problem with another Member"

And, a the case is serious, you should also do a police report.

So, please, in the future, if such a thing happen, i know this is serious, and maybe you will want to write about it to warn people, you can do it, but without publishing any name or profile address.

Your ambassadors will try to discuss about a guideline on what to do in such a case, before that, you can follow Jasmin's advices.

CS is a wonderful adventure and the bad apples have to be kicked out, but please, remember to don't write names or profile address in the future.

Again, Svenja, you have all my support, and i fell very sorry for what happened to you and the other girls.

Happy surfing!!!

Alex :)

PS : remember
- Contact MDST
- write a negative reference
- if needed, do a police report

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 12:43 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hello again,

I have to STRONGLY agree with Alex.

He has been kind enough to remind us all the importance of NOT naming anyone until PROVEN guilty.
For all we know this allegation is NOT even reported to the MDST :(
We do NOT have the rights to judge anyone here. Please remember that.

Please do not provide any links especially from other websites.
We all learn new things here.

By saying this, I am not saying that I did not believe this accusation, but I'm afraid it's almost a bit too late to do the right thing :(

Travel responsibly (good one, db!)

Sincerely,
Zach

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 1:41 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi everyone,

evidence-wise, it might be too late to report as the evidence has been contaminated or unavailable.however, police officers are duty bound to receive any complaints from the people. though this time nothing can be done, the implication is that there is as a matter of fact a sexual complaint made as against him. it will strengthen any other complaints made in the future, should there be any.

Finger pointing is bad. But this issue needs to be discussed in public. at all course, names should be kept confidential. we all have the rights to share our opinions even though it may vary. We should also be aware of the risks we undertake when we join CS.

Besides deactivation of CS account, what else can MDST do? pls advise. im curious.

cheers,
farah

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 1:56 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Svenja: I am deeply sorry to hear what you and otehrs have gone through. It's been a while I felt something is fishy about banditleader as he became very "active" in hosting and organizing jungle trekking trips. My even called my own CS guests that he even tried to sell his jungle trekking service.

Guess this is a lesson to us all to be careful when traveling regardless if you are male or female. Should any mishaps of such nature takes place, we should lodge a report immediately to MDST and police.

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:16 am by from Melbourne, Australia (Permalink)
Maybe that is the protocol, Alexandre, but it is also a load of crap.

It would be completely unethical not to give such a detailed warning to other members. What if another CSer is on her way to his place before MDST or the cops can do anything?

I am glad Svenja told us.

Rules regarding MDST work in most cases, but this sure as hell isn't one of them.

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:42 am by from Menzel Bourguiba, Tunisia (Permalink)
SOrry Alexendre but I dont agree with you ... and I agree with Mike.
Rules are made by Cser and can be changed ... For me couchsurfing is a big family ... We have to trust each other ... I don t find any thing wrong when Svenja are warning us ... more than this, B can create another account without puting his pictures ... and having new friends and host new people ... So when you inform the other CSer, it is good for our security as guest or host.

I still believe in Couchsurfing and Couchsurfer and hope that we can improve security on the site.

Please, don t stop hosting and meeting CSer ... Keep Couchsurfing

Adel

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 5:52 am by from George Town, Malaysia (Permalink)
39 replies,and i still miss someone?
Where is the CS Ambassordor of Malaysia?Does he still trekking in the bush?

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:47 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
wow,
a guest of mine who stayed with banditleader also said the same thing, he offered her a 'herbal coffee' while watching tv and then she passed out. and woke up in the room the next morning without remebering how she ended in the room. but she doesnt want to say anything cos she thought maybe she was really tired. but she cant stop thinking on about it. so she left the next morning.

if u need more reference, i could give u my guest link thru pm.

syah.

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:49 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Protocol or not, I totally agree with Alexandre because...

1. You can still leave a negative reference on the profile of the alleged "suspect" but it has to be factual and not emotional. After all, the negative reference will be reflected in the alleged perpetrator in realtime.

2. The MDST consists of volunteer members from around the world and due to difference in time zone, they may need some time to deliberate the case objectively. They cannot pass on judgement but when serious cases are being reported to them, at least there is a key learning which perhaps will improve the security matters on CS.

3. In any allegations, whether it's reported to MDST or the police, they have to establish a case. The allegation maybe to frame someone (I am not referring to this particular case). Therefore, by naming the person in public equals to public "trial" on the "accused" while the case is being investigated. Remember, we are in no position to judge anyone here.

4. We understand the magnitude of a case such as this. But the "victim" must remain calm when making a report to the police and also MDST. When we're emotional, it's also hard for the police to extend their fullest cooperation.

5. In my personal opinion, in cases such as this, a police report should be made first and then to MDST. At least, the MDST will prioritise such cases due to its severity to members' security. It means, it's a genuine case and not a mere finger pointing.

Of course, in this particular case, the victim was too overhelmed with the situation that she could not think of the next steps. But I hope, we will learn something from here.

Jasmin

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:58 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Adel,
CS has a fantastic security system.

1. Through verification (using credit card to confirm your existance and location).

2. If you noticed, CSers who are not being verified (like me), are being "verified" by organising gatherings. When you meet people at gatherings, that confirms your existence.

3. When you log in, it will register your nearest IP. You can't fool the system. That confirms your whereabouts.

4. References or friend connections are good enough proof to show your existence.

So, I believe that no one who has committed a "crime" within the CS community can return to us by using different identity. That is the reason why, reporting to MDST is so important.

Jasmin

Posted August 9th, 2009 - 3:57 am by from Stuttgart, Germany (Permalink)
Hi Jasmin!

in germany the verification for me was that cs wrote me a letter with a code!! I could stick my name to any mailbox for that matter!

my profile shows right now:
2 mins ago
Lucca, Toscana, Italy

I DO SIT IN Jiling China and have some software running to get to some web sites that i could not see other than that in china.

so these 2 do not really count - point 2 and 4 do!!

I do know svenja since a long time from many meetings and parties in stuttgart - she is not at all a person that would claim anything if there would be nothing to claim!!

i hope that (if there are) more girls will come forward and that the police will do something...

Posted August 9th, 2009 - 4:35 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Marc,
Yes, I know about the sticker with the code thing. You receive it in the mail after you make your donation through credit card. This is verify your address.

I can't comment about other countries but in Malaysia, we don't have cybercops. However, in an event when there's an defamation email going around, the origin of the IP can be tracked by the the ISP after a police report is lodged.

I know, in China, you can overcome the filtering system if you use VPN docked outside the mainland. So, I have to agree with you that what is reflected on this site may not be 100% accurate. I guess, if there's a police case, something can be done. I don't know.

I also believe Svenja but I wish she reported the case much earlier. To add to that, if similar cases happen again, try to report to the police as soon as possible.

Jasmin

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:58 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
I feel sorry for Svenja

But just wonder why people wants to stay with someone with such a username. We always connect names with character and personality don't we?

When I first saw his username I thought this person must be really brave, yeah you have to have guts to call yourself a BANDIT, and not only Bandit but BANDITLEADER! Don't tell me he has followers in CS.

Elma

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 4:31 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
i have bad experience with CS security

1. when i use my credit card to verify my account,
it cannot go tru, then i received a mail from CS

Potential credit-card security risk

I regret to inform you that due to a temporary bug on
the CS website, there exists an extremely small
possibility that a third-party with malicious intent
could have collected your credit-card information when
you submitted it to CS on June 16th. I must therefore
recommend that you contact your credit-card company
immediately, and follow their advice....

until now still no 1 get back to me, and i still can't finish my verification...


2. When you log in, it will register your nearest IP. You can't fool the system. That confirms your whereabouts.

a lot of fren complain they saw i IP is from Africa and south america, this IP also cannot believe 1~

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 4:39 am by from Johor Bahru, Malaysia (Permalink)
I log in Johor Bahru or Kota Tinggi, Nearest IP was Melaka or Kluang. The traveler log in J.B. at my house, I read their IP was Melaka.


Posted August 7th, 2009 - 4:48 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Jeff, please write to Contact Us (links are given by Alexandre above)
this is a problem regarding Verification and you need to let them know immediately!


Regards,
zach

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 4:55 am by from Montreal, Canada (Permalink)
OK guys,

For the location connection displayed in your profile, there is a FAQ :
http://www.couchsurfing.org/wiki/Answers_to_some_common_Contact_Us_Questions#Profile_showing_Incorrect_Login_location

About an IP, i can read some mistake about what it is, so, here is a little explanation :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

And, Jeff, don't wait for someone to contact you.
They wrote to you :
"I must therefore
recommend that you contact your credit-card company
immediately, and follow their advice...."

So, if i understand well, they ask YOU to contact your Credit card company.

Here is my 2 cents.

Happy surfing!!!

Alex :)

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 5:05 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
thank guyz...

i already contact my credit card company last 2 months...

the point is i can't finish my verification here~

after june 16 CS webpage error,

CS webpage didn't accept my credit card anymore~

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 5:10 am by from Montreal, Canada (Permalink)
@Jeff,

As wrote Zach, you should write to contact us.

Did you try with another internet browser?

I know that they have some problem. When i got verified, it took me 3 months to succed to pay ;)

Happy surfing!!!

Alex :)

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 8:29 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Dear Svenja,

I feel really sorry. It is a very bad story.

I just want to tell you that you are courageous, strong and wonderful.
Many of us admire you.

Please let us know if we could help or If you need some friends to accompany you in KL. Just let us know. We don't want you to be lonely.

Idha















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Posted August 7th, 2009 - 2:00 pm by from Bayan Lepas, Malaysia (Permalink)
I'm so proud of you Svenja. Such thing does happen in CS, all around the world. I happened to meet and talk to few females CSers who are victims of harassment, sadly, not many of them able to get to this state. Most of them eventually decided to keep quiet and just want to forget about it, in afraid of potential humiliation and retaliation.

At the same time, I'm happy to see such a nice caring and supportive local CSers community. Despite the fact that most of them were so much misleaded by earlier posting in another forum, they are able re-evaluate things with an open-mind and heart. These supports are very important to gain back the trust/confident of victims, and to help them to get over this bad experience.

Brave victim and caring CS community are the 2 main forces that can make CS a better and safer community! :)

dy

Posted August 7th, 2009 - 3:49 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
Hi everyone,

I am Vanessa, an Ambassador for Greece.

I know I shouldn't be saying this, as I am an Ambassador, and I really don't want to start or support a polemic / debate of a country where I have never been and unfortunately know very little about, but I do support your post as well, 100%.

For one simple reason: by the time you reported the case to the police (assuming you managed to convince them something like this happened), and you forwarded it to MDST, the person could have done the same to more guests, who, in turn, would have been scared / in doubt of leaving a negative reference.

(This is not to judge the MDST's work btw, not at all, all I am saying is that in cases like that time is very important).

At the same time, I have to admit that I have never been 100% sure about which one of the Terms of Use Svenja violated, or is being violated in Ambs group when a direct link to a public profile is posted. If we are talking about 5.2a (you may not post any content is defamatory), well, it looks like this incident was true and not defamatory. May I also remind the "INTERESTING, ORIGINAL, FUNNY PROFILES" group. This is a question actually, so Alexandre it would be great if you could specify this (feel free to email me personally if you think this is more appropriate).

In any case, Svenja, I know words don't really matter a lot, but I would just like to say that I am also very sorry you had such a bad experience. I wish someone had left another negative reference for him (or for anyone who acts in a similar way) before. I hope you can actually make a police report later.

Vanessa

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 3:17 am from Athens, Greece
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Posted August 8th, 2009 - 9:06 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
So many posts and i still don't know WHO IS THIS BANDITLEADER

does'nt he have a real name? an address? a phone? a surnamme?

Sventza i feel sympathy for you but if with your aventure you want to contribute in the safety of future other CSiers you should make this protest official

That means DO go to the police then DO expose this man in the community.

Malaysian group's responsibility is to EXPOSE this man as well by putting his real info in BIG BOLD characters in the main group, or the group's guidelines.

Or else today's 'banditleader' will be tommorows 'somethingelse' and more people will suffer.

CS as an organization (where are the big heads?) should take responsibility and ACT against him or similar like him.

Wanna bet than in 2-3 months this banditsomething will be around in the meetings having the best time, and even when others know his background would never talk loudly about it? That's the beauty of internet!

I bet.. hope i lose

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 9:22 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
Before anyone writes that exposing personal info is illegal (i totally agree) especially when this comes after a non official protest, (ok i said who is this banditleader, but then again who are you?) i would like to add:

If by colecting info from other people with the same experience and create a fact (official or unofficial) people could be warned to be carefull when host is offered by a MALE that his name start with ex A.B.C and lives in a city/street/village started with G.
Enough info not to go against any law but enough info also for making somepeople suspicious and request info from others as well.

Nowhere in the whole cs site i saw a collection of bad things happened (hey dont tell me its a community of saints?) or for actions taken against them. After all it's a non-profit-profit organization and exposing bad things is against it's popularity.


Act!


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 10:03 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Dear Sinalsa,
There's a negative reference left for Banditleader on his profile before he deleted it.

If he is still in this community, potential surfers would have seen the negative reference of the alleged abuse. I believe with such a reference, CSers will avoid requesting for his couch. It's good enough to alert other members of his alleged wrongdoing. We don't need to have a public "trial" here.

Jasmin


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 10:59 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
Adding a negative reference puts the profile out of the community.. not the person who created.

put a negative ref or a positive one is something anyone can do as easily as logging in and for reasons unknown to others. Who tels me that positive refs are real who tels me that negative refs are real too.

Any personal opinion should be taken sceptically. I can gather a group of rapists (including me if i am one) and have the greatest references among each other.

Safety is a matter for greater groups than an individual. unless you tell me CS organization is just to provide information and warnings and then you are out there alone...

the fact that without having seen h\is profile i am sure that its full of great references (and that is why this girl may have selected him as a host ) only supports my thesis.

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 11:11 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Sinalsa,
I think you can make a great contribution to CS safety team. I suggest that you volunteer yourself with the safety committee if you have the time and energy (remember this is not a paid job) about how to enhance the safety in CS. Looks like after this, we'll even get the interpol to help in our safety.

Jasmin


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:10 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
Jasmin thanks for the proposal

i am quite new here. Who knows when i get older in the community i will start being a more active member.
But to tell you the truth, i believe in the volunteer work only when there is a great cause for it. And for me CS does not support any great cause.
but that's a personal opinion and in a bad place (irelevant under this topic)

Anyway i ran through this topic and i really felt like telling my opinion on the matter.



Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:26 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Sinalsa,
I am surprised that you're in CS although you don't embrace the spirit of CS. It doesn't matter if you're old or new, I believe most of us are very thankful of its existence. It is unfortunate that some ugly incidents do happen within and outside CS community.

I think, everyone should read and re-read safety article in this site and learn to take care of ourselves, know what to do when something happens etc. We're all adults and we're old enough to think for ourselves.

We don't need bodyguards or secret service to ensure our safety in CS. This is a free site and a lot of efforts have been taken by its founder to help us connect.

So, Sinalsa, if you don't want to volunteer but is highly critical of CS, then I have nothing else to say.

Jasmin




Posted August 8th, 2009 - 11:17 am by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
... and another thought..
so .. the negative ref went with the profile.. it was deleted as well so it's out of the community as well so no more warnings for him.

So (maybe) there should be as many negative references as deleted profiles.

On the other hand i am sure that if Svenja's story is real (i have as many reasons to believe her and the same not to) i am sure that now that the profile is gone she feels very satisfied!

To make the devil's advogate i will start to feel sympathy for this banditstupid for all this attack that he gets from unknown women who didn't appreciate his hospitality!

besides.. i know him so much (ok i don't but many of you do) who knows Svenja?

wake up ACT. (this goes to the heads of the community there)


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:02 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Sinalsa

ACT? not even the girl make a police report yet

and after a week of this things happened? Sorry, Svenja, im my humble opinion you should make the report after those things happened. Its quite difficult now i guess, but still, you need to make a report though.

its no point arguing here, nothing much we can do, lets rest this case to the police if she makes a report.

And again, everybody should be responsible of themselves. Others can only gave advice and not arguing to each other.





Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:26 pm by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Like I said it will be an uphill task and in this case someone must be daring enough to make a police report perhaps if I may suggest accompanied by a female ambassador and perhaps others to give emotional support.

Making a report regarding the outraging of a person modesty is as mind draining as a rape report although not as mentally bad as the latter!

Please share with the community and perhaps those in charge if you have an idea which may in future prevent this! Let's not make matters worse by arguing when positive feedback is required to collectively find a efective solution!

Again this will repeat itself if no one takes any positive and brave steps!

My apologies for coming out of my shell! ;)


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:44 pm from Mainz, Germany
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Posted August 8th, 2009 - 1:03 pm by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
I agree with you but Im glad this matter was brought up as it serves as a reminder to those who are ignorant or remain to be ignorant!

Like I said it takes a brave person to take a stand and file a report to the relevant authorities as many would chicken out and say that as long as they were not raped better to leave it be, but the guily (Innocent until prove guilty!) will continue to abuse as he/she will only stop once positive action is taken!

Again forgive me for coming out of my nutshell ;)

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 1:43 pm from Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:53 pm by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
This reply is not meant for Pika but for all!

Pika has been a friend and remains a friend whom I can trust and share positive feedback with!

Someone call me immediatly after my posting and I believe have misread my posting as hitting at Pika!?????

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 12:38 pm by from Athens, Greece (Permalink)
ACT is refering to all..

ACT for Svenja is to go to the police, else it's another bullshit story. (I can understand a thousand reasons why a woman might not go to the police after a sexual harrashment but this is no exuse for me.), Then she should report to CS safety team.

ACT for CS safety is to do what they do in such an occasion.(i really don't have the slightest idea of what do they do)

ACT for the abassadors of the Malaysian group is to privately talk to Svenja and that Banditleader as well as the other girls that Svenja claims they had the same experience and cross the story. This is irrelevant to what the police will do in case of a report and irrelevant of the existance of suh a report.

ACT for the CS heads in Malaysia is to either kick the ass of this man out of the network in anyway by exposing him in case of a true fact, either RESTORE his name and reputation and DELETE all this topic.

ACT comes in many ways. Who should act is not me to tell.

Staying inactive does not help. Changes are made by action.

Mysticman i totally agree with you.

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 1:18 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Mysticman,

No worries, none taken.

My point is, Banditleader is "not guilty until he is proven guilty", in order to do that, a police report should be made.

Dont take me wrong, my support goes to Svenja, the only things is, she should take the action first.

i rest my case here, theres no point arguing to each other


Happy CouchSurfing

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 3:31 pm by from Gold Coast, Australia (Permalink)
hey,
i think everyone who's askin themselfs why svenja didnt report this sooner, should take a step back n think about this...
its not easy for a girl to admit something like this, u always think u did something wrong or did something that made the guy think he had the right to do this... in svenja's case (n the others) if he gave them urbal tea's n u dont remember anything anymore except maybe flares... it makes u wonder if it woz just a dream, ur imagination, so u dont wanne come out cuz u think ur wrong n u dont wanne accuse someone if ur not sure...
im really sorry to hear something like this happened to you. makes u think about a lot of stuff! its great to see that a lot of cs members are supportin n understandin this...
but must admit this story has got me really scared. im travellin on my own to kuala, bangkok n bali n well through previous experiences n now this story... i am afraid that something like this will happen again. n its like said by others references can be tampered with or ppl dont speak out... so u never really know where u gonna end up. i sincerly hope things like this will be reported n wont happen again (but think thats wishfull thinkin...)

hope all is well svenja, no one should go through an experience like this, n i know how it feels ;)

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 3:42 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi Ellen ;)

Thank you for speaking your mind.

This event doesn't conclude the CS Malaysia community as a whole, if you're scared, then please by all means, you have the option to stay in a hostel or non- single male hosts (just a safety precaution, not imposing that all Malaysian male hosts are sexual predators)

in the meantime, Happy Surfing!

Zach

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 4:05 pm by from Gold Coast, Australia (Permalink)
hi,
i wasnt talkin bout malaysian cs community actually. but more sayin that it is hard for a girl no matter... my experience had nothing to do with malaysia or even cs, but it makes u realize that altho someone is nice n friendly n gives a good impression u can get into nasty situations.
the sexual ones r the worst, but ive heared stories of surfers bein left all by themselfs by their hosts as well, so thats why i am scared... cuz i do wanne travel with the cs mind as i think its the most awesome way to learn a country, cultur n see things u wouldnt if u travel touristicly... but we shouldnt have to be scared to stay with a single male host u know... but unfortunatly we cant change how some minds work ay ;) its scary that even with the cs minds ppl can be that disrespectfull n hurtfull... thats all ;) still plannin on couchsurfin, just be a lot more carefull i think ;)

Posted August 8th, 2009 - 4:16 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Well, we received a lot request from single girls lately and guess what? It's for safety reason ;)

My only advice is when you plan to visit foreign country do a little bit of research on their culture (google, wikipedia, travel guide books you name it)
and we always keep one thing in mind whenever we travel, RESPECT.

We are responsible for our actions, maybe it is also help to dress modestly ;)

Take care, safe travels!

Zach


Posted August 8th, 2009 - 4:59 pm by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
Greetings,

I just read this from the weekly digest. I am very sorry to hear such news from CS, this really makes me question the humanity nowadays. Anyhow, I don't want to put any more opinion into this matter. Let's make this case as a warning and female travelers on CS should take heed and take extra precaution when traveling solo or staying at others' places.

As other CSers have suggested, is better for Svenja to go with someone who is fluent with BM/legal laws in this country. Due to my past experience with the police here, they don't take you seriously if it had happened and you did not report on the spot.

Another tip is that, if any other female CSer have such experience, the first thing when you wake up is to get dress, report the case and insist on a full body check-up. This will ensure that you have legal evidence against those who wanted to harm you.

Your urine or blood test will still contain the drugs in 48hours, if I'm not wrong. My take is always better to be safe than sorry, even if there's only a 50/50 – might or might not be drugged. Precaution/prevention is better cure as one of the CSer have mentioned.

dear Svenja, I hope all went well with your other travels.
And I also hope other girls remember to stay alert, safe while traveling too. If anything happens, don't be afraid to stand up and speak up because there will always be support around you. :]

(^ ^)v.

Posted August 9th, 2009 - 7:23 am by from Chico, United States (Permalink)
WTF!!!!!!!!!!

the same thing happened to me!!!!!!

ok, i haven't read through this whole thread, but i'm sort of freaking out--

i stayed with the bandidleader in june
i arrived very late after an arduous journey
we were watching a dvd in the living room when he offered me some "herbal coffee" that i took
the next thing i remember is waking up totally disoriented in the guest bed
i had no idea how i got there, just the very shallow souvenir of my last moment of consciousness being in protest--of what??? i still don't know but it doesn't look good!

he told me that i fell asleep and he had to carry me to bed.

i felt very uneasy about this explanation but i told myself that i was super tired and herbal coffee makes you...forget???

ggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

ok. i just wanted to....freak out online
blah

Posted August 9th, 2009 - 9:49 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
OH NOOOOOOOOOOO

did u feel u r super unusual as in...did he do something to u other than the silly coffeee?

that was really bad...

gosh

Posted August 10th, 2009 - 3:33 pm by from Utrecht, Netherlands (Permalink)
Hi Ally, Svenja and all other CS'ers in the thread,

Maybe it's a bit late to send my reaction, but just to make sure nobody's doubting Svenja's story anymore: same happened to me. I had the coffee with him, passed out and only remember parts of the evening which I'd rather not recall. I don't remember going to my room, I only know that I woke up late and felt bad, physical aswell as mental.

The reason I didn't file this (I saw some people wondering why), is that I felt it was my fault. Maybe, so I thought, I was tired or I made him feel like I wanted to do something. Deep inside I of course realise that that was not the case, but for me it was the reason to doubt myself and not report it - nor write a bad reference. This was also due to the fact that I heard a lot of good things about him, in his other references and from the newspapers in the room and his own stories. I figured it couldn't be his fault because of that.

When I got Bandit's email saying he's leaving CS, I checked out his profile and found Svenja. I can only say that I feel so bad for everybody else that went through the same thing, and I really hope that he won't get the chance to do anything again. Single girls traveling: take care of yourselves: I'm not a scared or fragile person, and still it happened to me too!

Safe traveling - but enjoy :)

Fem

Posted August 9th, 2009 - 12:57 pm by from Stuttgart, Germany (Permalink)
Hello Svenja,

I'am feeling very sorry about that. Even more, that I know you personally.
To do sth. like this is breaking all barriers of what one is allowed to do. I hope for everybody in this whole wild world: Something like this should never happen again!

It's true that a lot of people wouldn't say anything about this, because it need such a strength to stand against it and clear up such a weird happening. I'am very impressed and proud of you. It is completely right, to address this and share your experience with us.

Also, I'am feeling very sorry for the man, which has such a mental disturb to act like this. I won't guess what he had for a bad childhood or whatever to loose control about himself. Now, I hope he is able to learn a lesson about this and that s.th. like this is not the way to go!

At all Couchsurfers: It is very important to appeal to the common sense and give a address and a personal statement to stand against it!

Couchsurfing could give us so much, that we should affirm this core value.
And that's only possible, when we express our strong company.

Martin

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 2:33 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
I have just received 2 pms from someone who knew about this case in Hospitality Club regarding banditleader. I'm awaiting his permission to post it here and in KL thread!

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 3:00 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
my previous guest just pm me saying she just file a report to the police and to her embassy about what happened to her.

im really feel sorry for her and all the victims (including us for believing him). so my advise to all the ladies that have been abused, please do the same thing, file a report to your embassy and police.

and for those ambassadors or whoever responsible for Malaysia and KL CS Community please volunteer or set-up a team to help the ladies making a report, since they need help from the local with the authorities.

i really hope he'll get what he deserve, here and after life.

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 3:08 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
ok thanks mun for the update.

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 10:25 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
An update; denied permission by poster and no there was no incident of such nature in HC according to him. As a mark of respect to this friend, I shall consider this part of the matter closed! Apologies to all!


Posted August 11th, 2009 - 2:51 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hello people..
Was quiet for sometime,...
actually was in middle searching for some answer..
not sleeping at all..
follow the situation of the current status..
and of course.. reading this forum topic..

My name is Munawar, Im CS Country Ambassador of Malaysia(snobbish to speak my position here)
Others in my profile, mind check...

1 link subject forum where earlier, was kind support to banditleader :

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=1313&post=3506184

BUT..... then when svenja take a stand...
All the bad thing finally come out..
slow.. and slowly..

I was kinda... not sure wether i should post or not since it going up to 80 threat.after last night meet up with a cser Ming Chin,whom being supportive me and never give up assist others, And of course-a good finnish friend of mine advice me (whom she was there with me to greet Svenja)

Then i think i should reply some of my account..

To everyone , would like to mention..
that I,we (as CS Ambassador) we always on top when come to this type issue, and not by sit and sleep on couch and wash our hand.

We can simply post ,support , or accuse anyone without a stable proof.

We didnt delay, We survey and question and look for answer and better solution.

In Malaysia, this close/ sensentive issue been discuss and monitor in AMBASSADOR OF MALAYSIA (under MALAYSIA forum group) , you cant log in there if you not a CS AMBASSADOR. its a close discussion between CS AMBASSADOR.

This will be my 1st posting on this relavent topic, and i dont want people to said we (as CS AMBASSADOR / MODERATOR) didnt do any work at all, just sleep with our flag..
(i heard those coming these day... shame of you! )

So.. Dont jump to conclusion,that I (we) are not doing our work/job, and being CS AMBASSADOR is a volunteer job.
Want sign up ?

My explaination :

Im the 1st person who meet and received Svenja on 01 August/ 09 which following her case until now...
Knowing her through another mutual CS AMBASSADOR friend from Germany.Svenja are total not making up this issue..

Where inclose with some clue and support from others female, that she not the only one.

and also, yesterday i receive a call from a guy who mention, this person been involve with the same issue on previous situation in other travel website.

I should said.... THUMBS up for her (Svenja) to make her stand here NOT SO MANY GIRL will do like her, might some
(through my experiences near to 3 years involvement)

I never meet this banditleader, no chance at all.. also not his interest to meet me.

But during those period after meet svenja..I text/sms him to explain to me.. on the accusation on him by a girl (Svenja).He stand up reply with unrelavant answer to my question.

While that time Svenja was packed with her travel, and was confirming her trip to Indonesia.BUT we still keep in touch with this current situation and IM SURE by time Svenja be back to Malaysia shortly.

I will assist her and We will proceed with the police report along with others ..

I will like to ask a favour here.
I will do my best.. I cant without yours...

To those female traveler that had the same problem like Svenja had... please write to me, and speak up!
you can directly contact me in lots of way

skype : wantedperson
msn: wantedperson@hotmail.com
email :wantedperson@hotmail.com
or PM to my cs message

(i will give my mobile number when you write PM to me)

An advice to me to others female for now and future:

" If you had this bad situation/issue/ account, do stand up.. it will help to save others your friendly sister and to avoid this type of issue keep on repeating.Its you,yourself than can make this website for better place....... to used for us to meet, to couch and to travel .. "

Others tips to avoid this type of isse or other bad situation :

1)Be smart, and be selective on people that you interest to couch with.Not just simply and click to get host with..

2)check throughly the person (host) profile

3)you can write to previous person that been hosted and ask him/her point of view.

4) contact your nearest representative like CS AMBASSADOR
(everytime while you travel elsewhere, try to know your nearby CS AMBASSADOR-it can be helpful)

thats my view...
all always welcome to contact directly to me

safe trip....

And ... Finally Munawar speak up....!!!!!


p/s:
Meeting or catch me ?
im in KUALA LUMPUR @ MALAYSIA ,

1)i might turn up at Tuesday Gathering organised by Adel Kassah

2)i might be attend 3rd sunday potluck semi camping trip organised by Funky Harayz if im not heading Langkawi or Genting partying



Munawar
CS COUNTRY AMBASSADOR of MALAYSIA
CS MODERATOR of Southeast Asia

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 10:30 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
ehh... Theres a small typo in my post...


We can simply post ,support , or accuse anyone without a stable proof.

CORRECTION:


We CANNOT simply post, support or accuse anyone without a stable proof.

Posted August 11th, 2009 - 9:27 pm from Beijing, China
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Posted August 12th, 2009 - 1:05 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hi all

Have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205794/Rape-horror-tourist-used-couchsurfing-website-aimed-travellers.html

Looks like all ladies in CS have to be more careful in choosing male hosts.

Elma

Posted August 12th, 2009 - 3:28 am from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 12th, 2009 - 3:42 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)

gosh, i'm really sad, how a genuine website(at the first place) and turned into a tool for those evil-minded people.

i'm following these two threads everyday, and all i can feel is SAD.

This is a really good website where genuine people with same interests can meet up and hang out. I've been experiencing this all these years, but i also aware of the abuse oocuring now and then, news and forum posts in the website.

the news elma posted, really sad and spoilt the reputations of CS because of those abusers. I'm really wordless, i still love CS but I hate the feeling of being part of the community when knowing some abusers claim themselves as CSer too. Like when i'm saying, I'm a Couchsurfer - people will relate you to not the genuine part, but the danger/bad things they've heard.

I know this is not all, but just my current feeling. I still support a better CS, and trying to open to the idea. There's no one community or place which is 100% safe, but it is us who make it better.

Just, Just....
Just I'm really sad right now.

regards,
Candy

Posted August 12th, 2009 - 5:11 am by from Montreal, Canada (Permalink)
Hi everybody,

I want to remind you that CS have several security measures :

Verification : when a member is verified level 3, CS knows about is real identity and address. So, if you feel unsecure, prefer to host / surf members verified level 3.

Reference system : if something wrong happen with a member, please WRITE A NEGATIVE REFERENCE. This is one of the most important thing to do. And do be afraid to receive one in return, people are not stupid, and when they will read it, they will understand who is wrong and who is right. This is the best way to tell other members to avoid this member.


Vouching System : use it only if you really trust the person.

If a problem happened and it is against the law, don't feel afraid to do a police report. If you are afraid because this is not your country, ask assistance to a local CS Ambassador who can assist you when you will go to the police station.

Don't neglect any of these safety measures. If you do it, all the security is down. In this case, if the first girl dared to write a negative reference, the other cases after will never happened.

If you respect these, CS is safer. So help the community to keep it safe.

Help us to throw the bad apples away of our community.

Happy surfing to all of you.

Alex :)

Posted August 12th, 2009 - 1:48 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Alexandre, I agree with what you say about the importance of the whole set of security features, but must add a clarification to the statement regarding verification:

"when a member is verified level 3, CS knows about is real identity and address."

What CS actually knows via credit card verification is that:

1. The name given to CS is the same as the one on the credit card used for verification

2. The verified user can receive mail at the address he has given to CouchSurfing. That need not be the actual address of the person, but can be any mailbox one has access to. And verification can be done once for the rest of your life, with no further check unless you yourself ask for another postcard with a verification code to be sent to a new location.

So you see, it is a good additional feature, but far from fool-proof or reliable, and it is also the only feature out of the three that says absolutely nothing about the person, other than that he has a credit card, the amount required for verification, and a postal address somewhere.

For the same reason, I disagree with the statement "Don't neglect any of these safety measures. If you do it, all the security is down."

I agree with it regarding references and vouches, but I disagree that unverified members (94.2% of all members) bring down the security. If CS made similar effort educating members about the importance of honest references and of reading profiles as it has been putting into pressuring members into paying for verification, this community would be a lot safer!

By any chance, does someone know if banditleader was one of the 5.8% verified members of CouchSurfing?

Posted August 12th, 2009 - 9:20 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Apart from all the safety recommendations here, it's wise for all of us to carry with us the phone numbers of our foreign mission when travelling. In countries where we might encounter language problem, it's best to seek the help of the embassy/high commission/consulate when we're faced with problems such as this. This is because sometimes, when we don't speak a common language, it's also hard to communicate efficiently with the local ambassadors. For example, if your first language is French with limited knowledge of English and you're in China, imagine the trouble of communicating with the local ambassador. So, the best bet is to get in touch with your foreign mission.

I believe, all foreign mission have officers who are proficient in the local language to assist you with all official matters to protect the safety of their citizens when they're on foreign soil.

Jasmin

Posted August 12th, 2009 - 9:46 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
For info, this was just release on the UK rape case:

CouchSurfing Responds to Sexual Assault Trial in England
August 12th, 2009

In light of recent events in England, CouchSurfing has released the following statement to the media:

CouchSurfing Responds to Sexual Assault Trial in England

(San Francisco, California) - Earlier this week, CouchSurfing was made aware of the fact that a man in Leeds, England, is on trial for a sexual assault against a member of its service. This crime was reportedly committed in March. If found to be true, this is an appalling abuse of the community's trust. CouchSurfing has always been committed to helping members make informed decisions about their safety, and will take any information revealed in this case into consideration in its continual review of the site's safety systems.

CouchSurfing's internal Member Disputes and Safety Team removed the accused perpetrator from its website upon learning of the formal allegations. The team received a message in March that referred to this situation, but the details were incomplete. Although the team requested more information, the identity of the alleged attacker and the details about the situation were not confirmed until this week. Thankfully, the woman involved in this situation took the proper course of action by notifying the authorities and pursuing legal action. CouchSurfing is very grateful to her for helping to protect other members of the community by taking her allegations to a court of law.

"We at CouchSurfing are very upset about the situation that this woman has faced and extend our deepest sympathies to her," says Daniel Hoffer, co-founder and chairman of CouchSurfing. "As a community that relies on trust, the actions of a single individual have the potential to impact us all. Although we have facilitated over 1.3 million successful 'surfings' and over 2.4 million positive experiences, we understand that even one event like this is too many for those affected. We are dismayed that anyone would take advantage of the good spirit of this community."

CouchSurfing is an open forum. As such, it does not restrict membership and cannot guarantee that aberrant individuals will not attempt to use the service. Members are encouraged to carefully screen their potential hosts and guests. CouchSurfing's safety systems include references between members, optional identity and address confirmation, and a team that responds to all member disputes and safety concerns.

http://www.couchsurfing.org/news.html?id=269

Posted August 13th, 2009 - 5:57 am from Milton, United States
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Posted August 13th, 2009 - 9:16 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
maybe this might open some closed minds ;)

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=618&post=3580148

Posted August 13th, 2009 - 2:58 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"CS verification is a scam
Knowing the address makes absolutely no difference as to the character of the people who are registered."

if u knew CS has ur real name and adress u'd act more carefully and not create as many verificated profiles as u want, as u have to pay...

Posted August 13th, 2009 - 3:33 pm from Milton, United States
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Posted August 13th, 2009 - 4:02 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
non, je ne plaisante pas.
Those who are able to understand that differing opinions are not necessarily negative, pessimists, stupid, condescending or whatever.

c'est toi qui a ecrit cela, n'est ce pas ?

Posted August 13th, 2009 - 8:46 pm from Milton, United States
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Posted August 13th, 2009 - 7:50 pm from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 14th, 2009 - 1:33 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Yes, that's him.

Jasmin

Posted August 14th, 2009 - 2:15 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
In that case Youtube users can write to him at this link;

http://www.youtube.com/inbox?to_users=Filmforraz&action_compose=1

Was he credit card verified (did he have a green tick)?

Posted August 14th, 2009 - 3:53 pm from Milton, United States
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Posted August 14th, 2009 - 12:26 am by from Shenzhen, China (Permalink)
Hi everybody, we also have heated discussion in HK group. Finally I've decided that we should do sth about it...

We have to gather enough people to make CS authorities listen to us...

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=22156&post=3596170

Cheers,

Wojciech

Posted August 14th, 2009 - 11:44 pm by from Wilmslow, England (Permalink)
This post has naturally attracted a great deal of interest; it is an extremely emotive subject and affects everybody on this site.

Svenja has already expressed her intention to report the incident to the police upon her return to KL. She should be encouraged as much as possible to do this. It also seems to make excellent sense that she is accompanied by a native Malaysian speaker and probably somebody familiar with local law.

It is easy to be judgemental and enquire why this was not reported to the police immediately. However, there could be many reasons for this; if she was indeed drugged she may not be totally sure of what happened, just a suspicion that something was not quite right. There is also the 'perceived' though totally unjustified shame she may feel, and the fact that she doubts that the authorities would take her seriously, especially as she does not believe that he actually committed an act of rape.

It is a shame that if there have been other such incidents previously, and that the 'victims' did not either report it or draw attention to the possibility of such behaviour here within the community.

It is true that somebody is innocent until proved guilty, and that nobody should be vilified here without the case against them being proved. Without the wish to ‘preach’, we should all guard against being too eager to condemn the 'perpetrators' of such acts without having the absolute proof that such an incident actually occurred.

There does however appear to be substance to this allegation as several other girls have now come forward, a few of them within this particular thread. There also seems to be a common theme with this use of 'herbal' tea as a means of administering his drug.

The moderators and ambassadors of the site are all volunteers and I believe we should recognise their efforts for which they should be congratulated. Somebody should however now contact all of the girls that have now claimed a similar experience and try to ascertain the facts. The alleged offender should also be contacted and given the chance to defend himself. This should of course only be for the purposes of this site, I am totally unaware of Malaysian law, but nothing should be done which could prejudice any future criminal proceedings against him if relevant.

All the 'victims' should be encouraged to inform the police regardless of the lapse in time. We should not be under any illusions, this is a criminal matter, and if true, the offender should be subject to criminal proceedings. If enough complaints are made to the police, then there is a chance that such action will be taken despite the delays.

The administrators of the site should also take a look at the security measures for the site and see if they can be improved. This is one of two incidents which have been reported recently, undoubtedly there are other unreported cases and therefore there is an unsatisfactory risk. There is a responsibility to ensure the safety of CSers, and nobody should rest on their laurels and assume nothing further can be done to improve security. Verification should be the first step, and maybe the initiative suggested by the HK group should be taken seriously. Possibly a six month 'quiet' period after initially joining where new members have to be recommended by 'full' members before gaining 'active' membership. These recommendations could be achieved by attending organised meets or meeting other CSers in a social, but public arena. Meeting for coffee, or a drink but not inviting them to stay or staying with them without full active membership being granted.

It should however be remembered though that there is not any foolproof method. A half intelligent person can 'behave' for a short period of time until they receive all membership privileges and then show their true colours. This particular member of the site had a great many positive references and was highly thought of throughout his own community. Many were saddened by his leaving, if this allegation is proved factual then he will have fooled many people. If it is true, he has obviously subjected several women to this ordeal over a relatively long period of time and this is the first time anybody has made any similar allegation against him. A determined and intelligent individual will find a way to circumvent any security measures, it is important that it is made as difficult as possible however and at least beyond the means of the 'average' person.

This all means that we all still need to be vigilant, male and female alike. It is not in the ethos of CS of course to be suspicious of our fellow CSers, we should however be careful at all times. The fact is we do not usually know the person we will be staying with and at the first signs of anything suspicious or which leaves us feeling uneasy we should politely make our excuses and leave immediately. It is a matter of common sense, do not leave yourself unnecessarily open to such an incident, if in doubt get out! We should also always have an alternative plan, with options for local accommodation that has a vacancy available and the funds to pay for this.

Sexual harassment is not the only injustice or offence that we can be subjected to, abuse, theft or any number of other unpleasantries are possible, and anybody guilty of these should rightly be exposed to the administrators of the site and the appropriate action taken against them. If the offence is criminal, we should all take Svenja as an example and have the courage to report them to the authorities although it is obviously beneficial to do this at the earliest opportunity. This gives credence to the claim and hopefully results in the crime being punished in the correct manner.

If there is any substance to these allegations at all, I fully sympathise with Svenja, congratulate her for having the courage to publicise the matter and encourage her wholeheartedly to report the matter to the police at the earliest opportunity.

I hope that these incidents do not cause irrecoverable damage to the site, they do not become more frequent in future, we all learn from them and continue to have a positive experiences whilst couchsurfing.





Posted August 15th, 2009 - 12:29 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
I wish to point out to all female CS travelers "Under Malaysian Islamic law, the offence of "khalwat" or "close proximity" is committed when unmarried couples are found in situations where intimate contact is possible. It is the reason why Muslim maids at your hotel will go to extreme care that the door doesn't close behind them when they make up your room. There have been numerous examples of two unrelated or unmarried people being together even in the same hotel room alone when at least one is Muslim. Islamic police however focus their attention on rural or cheaper hotels rather than 5 star tourist or business hotels." source from http://www.apmforum.com/hariini/archives/000174.php .

Therefore if you're in a closed or locked room with a Muslim Male, your going against this law. I'm just sharing this as I'm sure some of you may not be aware of this!

If you do make a police report, this is one factor that can be used against you!

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 12:31 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
This should be on the Malaysian CS thread as a reference

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 12:34 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Another article from the Malaysian BAR web site regarding this matter ; http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal/general_news/syariah_lawyers_back_action_on_khalwat_against_non_muslims.html

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 12:37 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
1 more article from Woman's Aid Org regarding this matter; http://www.wao.org.my/news/20030104knowrghts_khalwat.htm

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 1:16 am by from Montreal, Canada (Permalink)
Svenja,

Go the police with the assistance of your Embassy. They know the malaysian laws, ask them assistance, they will assist, defend and help you.


Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany
26th Floor Menara Tan&Tan
207, Jalan Tun Razak
50400 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia
Tel: 0060-(0)3-2170 9666
Fax: 0060-(0)3-2161 9800
http://www.kuala-lumpur.diplo.de

And this is an advice for everybody, if you have any problem, in any country, just ask assistance to your embassy. They know local laws and have relationships with the local officials of the country.
They are the best people to be able to help you.

Happy surfing!!!

Alex :)

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 1:28 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
I wish to clarify Mysticman's statement about a few things:

1. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "ISLAMIC POLICE". However, there are enforcement officers from the Islamic department which enforces Islamic law ONLY ON MUSLIMS. I REPEAT, THEY'RE NOT ISLAMIC POLICE AND THEY DON'T GO AROUND KEEPING THE LAW IN ORDER. THEY ONLY ACT UPON A COMPLAIN.

2. IN ISSUES OF "KHALWAT" OR CLOSE PROXIMITY BETWEEN A MUSLIM MAN/WOMAN AND A NON-MUSLIM MAN/WOMAN, ONLY THE MUSLIM PARTY IS IMPLICATED IN THE LOCAL ISLAMIC COURT ALSO KNOWN AS THE SYARIAH COURT.

Sorry, I have to use capital letters because Mysticman made the wrong statement here and I do not want to confuse anybody.

Mysticman is bringing this up because Razali aka Banditleader is a Muslim.

Svenja, you won't be implicated just because you stayed with a Muslim man. It is the duty of the Muslim man to inform you that he cannot have you as a guest because it's against the Islamic law.

I really hate talking about religion here because Malaysia is a multi-racial, multi-cultural society. By discussing about religion here, we create prejudices. But since some of you brought this issue up and the information are mostly wrong, I have to correct them.

Jasmin




Posted August 18th, 2009 - 9:20 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Dear Jasmin,

I too wish to clarify your statement if I may;

Those are not my statements rather extracts from the net. My intention is to assist but you made it appear as if I'm trying to mislead everyone.

Did I not put a link to WAO with regards to this issue? Why didnt you mention this? Are they wrong too?

I put this link as I was reminded by an individual to remind the female travelers but perhaps next time you'll do us a favour and guide these people instead of "Mysticman made the wrong statement"

Thanks Jasmin for making my day!

Hassan your ignorant CS




Posted August 18th, 2009 - 9:40 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Let's talk about Religion since you have put me down as misleading!

You know as clear as broad daylight that each state in Malaysia interpret the religion based on their own methods/interpretation and enforcement by the local Department Of Religion (Islam) has lead to many unfortunate incidents involving locals and foreigners!

My aim was to inform but perhaps you may have not seen fit that my statement appears on CS.

May I make a suggestion then , why not moderate the board as it looks like anyone not to your liking will get a whip lash of harsh words not realizing if I may state so that "Were all here to help the innocent!"

Perhaps if you wish I shall no longer post or share my views as it appears what the local CS community has become has truly come true eh?

Hassan your ignorant CS ;)




Posted August 18th, 2009 - 9:42 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Dear Hassan,
Please read my message again. I was specifically referring to your statement and not the link. There's a danger in extracting something from a link which the source is very doubtful.

And let me reiterate again, there's not such thing as Islamic police in this country. The officers from the Islamic dept are not police but they do work hand in hand with the police dept when the need arises.

And you're most welcome, Hassan.

Jasmin


Posted August 18th, 2009 - 2:53 pm by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
One important thing I learned from the Internet and thats there no end in arguing with people intent on asserting their thoughts as the masses!

Let me then be the fool again since you have aptly replied "And you're most welcome, Hassan." as a retort!

You're right there is no Islamic Police and I never said there was, where was it in my posting that states there is I wonder?

BTW again why ignore the links to BAR and WAO?

Do you get your kicks from policing this forum and hit out at people with good intentions but not to your deemed standards?

I wonder what your reply is going to be the next time someone tries to help but is not to your liking?

Allow me to quote a good friend "To be honest yes, CS is becoming more into popularity contest.. too bad and sad. It used to be really genuine site." & "Ignored to "so called chasing the fame" person and just live your life in low-profile mode, and you will feel better. ;)"

I shall live to "feel better. ;)"

Hassan





Posted August 19th, 2009 - 2:49 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
Hassan,
the problem with written message again may i highlight that they dont have any voice, tone volume or speed of reading. U might have misread what Jasmin trying to say here.

Even for me, when i read your post regarding the religion issue, it does feel misleading. This is not, a popularity contest and I dont even know or met Jasmin before. But i do agree with her and we need to be really, really careful what we post especially regarding religion in open forum. Or else someone else from who knows where might copy it again and post it in another forum and will confuse whoever that reads it :)



Syah

Posted August 19th, 2009 - 8:28 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Now coming from you in that manner is called courtesy and point noted and shall end there! The way Jasmine put it made me feel like a school kid being reprimanded by a teacher?

The original quote regarding CS was from a senior and not me, however I concur with his thoughts.

Again I quote " and just live your life in low-profile mode, and you will feel better. ;)"

I shall live to "feel better. ;)"

BTW Syah thanks for taking the time to reply in a manner where empathy is being practiced unlike others!

Hassan

Posted August 20th, 2009 - 4:44 am from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 20th, 2009 - 5:20 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Jim, i totally agree with you. Its a bit scary to host someone without a picture. Sometimes i wonder why some of these cser does not want to upload a picture. it will only take a few mins to do it.

Posted August 20th, 2009 - 8:08 am from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 20th, 2009 - 3:12 pm by from Langkawi, Malaysia (Permalink)
agree..with jim...without picture and there not verified..!!!-security issue!!!

Posted August 20th, 2009 - 8:27 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
i think many people on here feel your frustration, hassan. too many 'arrogant' people who try to browbeat others to their opinion, condescending remarks made out of the side of their mouths towards others.

just keep your calm, these little people are only trying to inflate themselves by their words, all of us realize that for what it is... a pathetic cry for attention and a need for validation by those who will most likely never meet.

now, on to other matters!!

heh heh

db

Posted August 21st, 2009 - 12:27 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)

I've been monitoring this thread for a while.

I think you're right David. There are too many 'arrogant' people around who think they're right about everything, and are not able to accept other people's opinions - though sometimes they might say they're always open for different views.

And I can feel your frustration, Hassan.
Just ignore all these childish people :)

Posted August 21st, 2009 - 2:36 am by from Petaling Jaya, Malaysia (Permalink)
i think we shouldnt take side, its best if we agree to disagree. People have different views in life :)

Posted August 21st, 2009 - 2:53 am by from Shah Alam, Malaysia (Permalink)
hope that there is NO m'sian style of 'POLITICS' here in CS!

thanx,regard
azrai asari

Posted August 21st, 2009 - 3:59 am by from Ampang, Malaysia (Permalink)
Nanie,

I wanted to reply to via PM but I found out I couldn't because of your settings to only accept full profiles!

To answer you, all I can say is thank you and this matter is closed as far as I'm concerned!

To Jim , Jasmine & Rizal, I wanted to remove my profile to take a break from CS but realized that I still have good friends here in the local and Indonesian CS community, thus I removed my pics but since I cant communicate with some as their settings require a pic, I've added my Pic where I was happy most under than being with my beloved family = Jakarta!

Lastly this is to apologise to anyone whom may have been mislead by me but I'm sure you know my intentions are good and many can attest to that.

I'm going to remove myself from the Malaysian thread not for anything but for my health. Only Munawar and some close buddies in CS know what I mean!

Till then take care all!

Warm regards,
Hassan Thean


Posted August 21st, 2009 - 6:52 am from Montreal, Canada
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Posted August 21st, 2009 - 7:09 am from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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Posted August 21st, 2009 - 9:43 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Wow....! wow....! wow.....! CS has really changed since I joined 3 years ago....... (Sigh...)

Peace to all,
Ken

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 5:56 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Great post Iain, thanks.

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Posted August 15th, 2009 - 12:04 pm by from Chico, United States (Permalink)
i already filed a police report in k.l.

i went to the tourist police and they compiled a report which i took to the local police. there is an inspector on the case now that needs the testimonies from the other ladies. i'm currently in perth, oz, but i plan to send my report to the u.s. embassy and it would help to have the other reports as well.

if you have anything to testify, the ambassador choice seems like a good one or you could call/sms the inspector:

Elvis Moore (great name)
013-8476692

i had a good experience with the police in k.l. that included but was not limited to a full blown siren blaring escort to headquarters in standstill traffic that was made to part like the red sea itself.
once there, they spoke decent english and let me type up the account myself. i met elvis in the flesh and he seemed like he was actually going to...investigate.

so that's the skinny. even if you're not in k.l. you can get in touch with this guy and it would really help the case.

peace,
a






Posted August 15th, 2009 - 2:37 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Ally ,
I got your email.
Will follow up, sorry didnt reply ASAP,
was packed...

Thanks for stand and voice out!

Will update to you

p/s: to other whom have similiar problem and issue in MALAYSIA, do kindly write to me :
wantedperson@hotmail.com

Safe trip

Munawar

Posted August 15th, 2009 - 4:52 pm by from Wilmslow, England (Permalink)
Well done Ally on having the courage to report this immediately, lets hope that justice is served.

Posted August 16th, 2009 - 2:37 pm from Colchester, England
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Posted August 15th, 2009 - 4:49 pm by from Wilmslow, England (Permalink)
Thanks, nice to be appreciated :)

Posted August 16th, 2009 - 9:45 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Dear Svenja and All,

First of all I am sorry for your experience, my empathy.
Can you please get in touch with UK immediately as this sociopath was going to stay with us in August in London. I shudder to think he would have been anywhere near my child.

It is vitally important to report predators.

Blessed be. Thank you.

Sophia

Posted August 17th, 2009 - 9:05 am from Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted August 18th, 2009 - 9:23 am by from Shenzhen, China (Permalink)
Hi Svenja and Ally,

I feel deeply, deeply sry for you for what happened. I have previously met other members (girls) who have had security issues in CouchSurfing. All the stories are unique, sad and horrifying.

The most important is, not to hide it, not to keep it to yourself. You have took the first step and told to others what happened. You should also contact MDST and inform them even though he deleted his profile (he may try to create a new one for example) and contact police in case you have any proof.

For others, CouchSurfing is not dangerous, but there is always some risk included (as it is with anything). Here is some advice that may help you to make CouchSurfing as safe as possible:
http://wiki.couchsurfing.org/en/Learning_Safety

Svenja, it is also great that you are still positive and love CS. I totally share that feeling with you. Keep it up!

Hugs and kisses to all of you and enjoy it!

K

Posted August 18th, 2009 - 11:03 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Thanks Kaisa for pointing out this excellent link which regroups many useful pages. I have added precise instructions on how to contact MDST to the wiki page and included the link in my own profile to share it with as many members as possible.

You can all do the same by including this html code as visibly as possible in your profile (go to "Edit Profile" and then paste it where you want to place it, for instance in the Couch Information):

<a href="http://wiki.couchsurfing.org/en/Learning_Safety" target="_blank">Wiki safety page</a>

It should then look like this on your profile after you save the changes:

Wiki safety page

The official CS page on safety, for inexplicable reasons not easy to find, is here btw:

http://www.couchsurfing.org/safety.html

One comment on "contact police in case you have any proof":

Go to police even if you don't have material proof. Evidence discovered in the investigation and the cumulation of reports, like in this case (allegedly now 50 victims!), can be sufficient, and if not, it is still the right thing to do.

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Posted September 24th, 2009 - 6:21 pm by from Gothenburg, Sweden (Permalink)
Hi. I've just joined CS through CS members in Thailand and Sweden but have stayed with CS members, many thanks to the connections via CS friends.
I stayed with Raz in late mid May for 4 days and before that a single russian woman for 5 days but we met up the day she had to leave after getting her visa for Australia.
Our experiences with Raz? - no problems. It was almost excellent!
I found many excellent reviews left by guests in a guestbook presented by a german female guest and I think there must be almost 50 people that have stayed with Raz, couples and singles.
And yes - like every guest, I was informed and also left with a reminder hung on the wall of his guestroom about the house rules but unfortunately, like any human being, I also forget and was told off bluntly but politely by Raz.
Yes, it is embarassing but it is his right as a host and I think there could be people out there who cannot stand being told off and perhaps, use this opportunity to jump in and join the character assasinating of Raz.
I managed to contact a guest who stayed with Raz twice as she recommended a female member to stay with Raz. Through our communications, she said that her friend received flirting messages from Raz though she knew Raz is a married person. My question is that, if she knew Raz is a married person and was sending flirting messages, why on earth would she had come and stayed with him? This girl seems to have stayed previously with quite a lot of Kuala Lumpur and Malaysain CS members. I remember when I asked Raz what it is like to be a host and he said that it is harder for a man to be a host as there are risks whenever it involves female guests. Raz said that he has to be whiter than white but when it comes to respecting and following his simple house rules, he has to stand on his ground as it is his house. Raz also mentioned about this female guest who was flirting with him though she knew he was married but when he told her off, he could see that there was a change in her behaviour but never suspected that she would betray his hospitality and friendship by accusing him of things that he would never do.
I have written to several of my CS and SERVAS members including CS moderators of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Thailand and Sweden and they agreed that there should have been a proper report made to MDST instead of putting anyone on a public trial. Raz stands no chance at all simply because he is a man, no one would believe a man's word when it comes to this kind of issue. My friends and also several moderators also were quietly shocked that certain CS ambassadors are taking sides, maybe to expand their already bloated self declared popularity?
I have been trying to contact Raz with no results but I fully understand as to why he has dissapeared. Feel free to PM if anyone out here who knows how I can contact him as I have friends heading to South East Asia and I would like them to meet up and stay with my friend, Raz.
It is a shame that there was also an individual that accused Raz of doing a so called horrible thing in hospitality club but fortunately, this person has found out that there wasn't any and have apologised - but to who?
Now I also understand that references are just like a double edged knife and I also understand now what Raz meant by being whiter than white!
At least Raz had the honour to politely excused himself from CS and I felt that he did not wanted to drag the other referees in his profile.
I am with Raz and I have seen quite a lot of single female guests from CS and Hospitality Club leaving very good comments in the guestbook.
I have no quarrel with others but I am only writing what I believe and trust and for otthes not to simply jumped the gun for it may happen to you too, especially if you are in the opposite sex :-)
Last but no least, Raz says that he always give guests to his house a walkabout including where the kitchen is, where the tea and coffee is and yes, I have asked the russian guest and she also said that she had coffee with Raz as with me and the coffee was poured from the same kettle into 2 empty cups right infront of my eyes as well as to the russian guest!!!
No further comments here!

Posted September 27th, 2009 - 8:27 am by from George Town, Malaysia (Permalink)
Dear Mariska

I do not know why you post after so long the thread has go on? Is it you are acting on his behalf? I wonder? Recently he threatened me through the SMS telling me he wants to report me to the Malaysian Anti Corruption Agency or MACC. It was 2 months back after I posted a negative remark on him. I am still waiting to be haul up by them for a trump up charges, I presume. My beef with him is personal but nothing to do with corruption I assure you.

Sane man do not threaten a guy, but he did, it shows his intellect and manners. I still got all the SMS he send. As I said His sexual exploit is not my concern but to me he is a liar and what ever he speaks he will tell lies, and for that I rest my case.

Posted September 27th, 2009 - 10:00 am by from London, England (Permalink)
Greetings Mariska,
I wonder whether you are a bit naive - surely just because something is written in a guest book doesn't mean it is real. How do you know who wrote what in that book.
Secondly it is extremely difficult after you have been traumatised to deal with authorities etc,... it is highly unlikely that someone goes travelling and then decides to spend her time with authorities consulates etc.... but - you are free to follow your own instincts on this - however,it is democratic not to accuse others of stupidity and blame them, in my humble opinion.

Posted October 3rd, 2009 - 8:08 pm from Montreal, Canada
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Posted October 5th, 2009 - 12:25 am by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)

Hi Ross,

I know I shouldn't be nosy. But I read in another group post the bloke Svenja mentioned is leaving (or has left) for the UK. Can you see the coincidence Mariska did also log in from England?

:)

http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=1313&post=3506184

Posted October 5th, 2009 - 1:18 am from San Salvador, El Salvador
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Posted October 5th, 2009 - 8:38 am by from Puchong, Malaysia (Permalink)
I was travelling most of the August and I haven't read about this till today...

Svenja, I'm so sorry for your traumatic experience and I'm glad to hear that you are fine.

I saw Banditleader's posts everywhere when I first joined CS but I couldn't imagine him being so...

Rgds
Robin

Posted October 6th, 2009 - 5:00 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Mariska: Just stop trying to foll us. I am qite sure you are "Banditlerder" himself. Stop trying to spray perfume on your ass after you have shit in your pants!!! GET REAL....BUDDY!

Posted October 7th, 2009 - 1:17 pm by from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Permalink)
Folks..
Sorry didnt follow up previous message
Im currently in Bali @ Indonesia- working and travel purpose
Be back KL tomorow

Theres are someone would like to make a report against this banditleader.

To those who know "whos" and his full name,
Please write to me, or Svenja Zimmermann

@Mariska Stahl @ :
Interesting feedback..
Put your picture 1st...
ok?


@Wan Zaharizan @ :
Sorry- lost contact with you,very sorry!!
would like to hear your story..
Let meet up..


Munawar

Posted October 8th, 2009 - 1:11 am from Garissa, Kenya
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Posted October 8th, 2009 - 1:12 am from Garissa, Kenya
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