Location: The Couchsurfing Project >> We are upset that CS has become a for-profit corporation
Login for full access to Couchsurfing Groups. Not a member yet? Join our community!

You people have crossed the line in an unforgivable manor
Posted October 9th, 2011 - 3:37 am from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 6:59 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don, that post you quote was in very bad taste.

But what do you mean by "you people" and why do you post it here?
Do you personally take responsibility for all posts made in the Berlin group?

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 8:13 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don,

'you people' reflects poorly on your judgement and maturity when you're referring to a diverse group of 3000 people literally from around the world.

Grow up.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 8:16 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Oh, I shouldn't have even bothered commenting.

Don is yet another corporate ambassador/spammer...

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 10:24 am from Rome, Italy
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 12:44 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Thee have been others who have acted in a way so as to bring negative impact on your group. Not, by any means representative, I know, but when you get spammed, condescending remarks because we simply disagree, jibes following the death of a group member and no real answersto questions posed in this group, a pattern does start to emmerge.

Has anyone contacted Yepkio about this to tell him how you feel as genuined members of the group? Do you, infact applaud his mesage?

If you want to get your message across, may I suggest appoointing a spokesman. If you don't, don't.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 1:15 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
I guess you're volunteering, Paul?

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 1:20 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 2:00 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Dan, why don't you have a chat with the object of your ire instead of whining off topic here? Who knows, acting like an adult might just work better for you than trolling and spamming close to 3000 people.

Regards.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 2:22 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
I tried that, it didn't work.

Judging by the third post on this thread, I could almost be led to beleive that you are thining along the same lines as Yepkio.

Do I want to volunteer? Hell, no! I have presided over groups with no clear vision and counter-productive methods of trying to get attention before. It never works. This is something thr group needs to sort out for itself before you can move forward.


Posted October 9th, 2011 - 2:28 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 2:44 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don, you're not questioning. At least that's not what I'm reading here. And starting a thread with 'you people' does seem rather suspect advice.

Paul, you'll have to try your 'guilt by association' shill with more impressionable people. I've called out Yepkio for crossing the line, he won't have it. What do you suggest? Bring it up with corp management. Yepkio's remarks, while excessive at times, aren't on the same level of disrespect that Casey continues to display to the community IMHO.

Regards

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 3:30 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)

The thing about guilt be association is that is real and will effect you regardless of who presents it to you and where. I'm glad to hear you had words with Yepkio, as did I, but he doesn't sound either respecful, remorseful or mature. We're talkinag abotu a guy who calls people he has never met "hookers" and "brotherl-owners" here, and implies that people give sex for favours in the CS hierarchy.

As for the rest of the group, there does seem to be an arrogance about this group. Either someone agrees with you or they are narrowminded, don't understand or some meet with some other codescending remark.

Where Caey Fenton comes into the remarks left by Yepkio, I don't know. Also, while you need someone more professino at the help, I shall not be volunteering. I have presided over groups who whinge, bicker and complain before and they tend to go nowhere fast. Either be maure and debate respctfully and succeed, or be immature and attack pettily, and fail. And you will do it as a group, not as an individual.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 3:43 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
I'm happy you've had a chance to vent your spleen then, Don. Happy trails!

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 5:10 pm by from La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland (Permalink)
Don, @ all

While I agree with your feelings about the mis-use of this death context, I'd like to focus your attention on that the individial initiatives of some of us shouldn't be considered as a group action.

Please deal personnaly that situation with the accurate person.

Let's close that un-productive debate, and let's move forward!

I hope this can be used as experience on how difficult handling communication is.

Tooki

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 10:50 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
<< A moderator of this group uses the death of a couch surfer to further the "We are a against CS becoming a corporation" message. By being a member of this group you support initiatives like this. That is why I use the term "you people". >>

Following that logic, let's hope that a moderator of this group doesn't kick his dog, lest we all be collectively accused of supporting animal abuse.

And where exactly is this so-called Unforgivable Manor in which "we people" crossed the line? Are you accusing us of trespassing on private property?

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 2:46 am from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 5:03 am by from Colombo, Sri Lanka (Permalink)
Don, I welcome your critique of the methods. That openness and organic growth and change is the original soul of CouchSurfing, and that's what should be protected.

I call on some of the trolls around here to tone down the personal attacks and stay focused on the real goal. This forum has noble ideals, but I fear is suffering as a consequence of some very loud characters who are too foamy-at-the-mouth and probably not effecting a clear campaign based on thoughtfulness and good faith.

With regards.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 7:58 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Don,

"And where exactly is this so-called Unforgivable Manor in which "we people" crossed the line? Are you accusing us of trespassing on private property?" Do I honestly need to explain that people should show respect for someone who has died and not make tasteless remarks like the one Yepkio made?"

Surely not, although you have done so repeatedly anyway. What you honestly need is to lighten up and use a better spellchecker (manner/manor, hello??).

Poking fun at your pompous overreaction to one person's insensitive post, over which the other 2000+ subscribers to this group had no control or foreknowledge, is not showing disrespect to the deceased.

But using the guise of self-righteous indignation to discredit the motives of this group, which your second paragraph clearly reveals to be your true agenda, is IMHO showing disrespect, in the same way that Yepkio did.

By the way, I note that the reason you gave for belonging to this group, as indicated on your profile, is "to post my disgust at using the death of a friend to further the anti bcorp message". So you are granting yourself an exception but issuing a blanket condemnation of everyone else because of one hastily written sentence in the group description.

My own stated reason is "I am uncomfortable with the announcement that CS will become a for-profit corporation". Does that mean that I condone any initiative by anyone, no matter how crazy, unethical, illegal, violent, etc. that initiative might be? Of course not.

Group moderators, please just insert the word "legitimate" between "any" and "initiative" in the group description so we can get Don off our backs.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 8:50 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Thanks Larry. As I had stated in the very first reply to Don's post the quote is definitely in bad taste and I don't believe anyone else in this group finds it appropriate.

But Don using that post to try to discredit a group of 2700 members who have absolutely nothing to do with it and saying "you people have crossed the line" is in the same bad taste if not worse. While as the post he criticises is just plain stupid, his own post seems to be made with premeditation and vicious intent. As Cameron, who organizes Casey's conferences, would say: Don, you are better than that.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 8:32 pm from Barcelona, Spain
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 9:04 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
personally, I would have serious problels with any kind of social media co optation à la don paul...

Posted October 9th, 2011 - 10:35 pm from Managua, Nicaragua
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:10 am from Rome, Italy
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 9:44 am from Guipry, France
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 10:17 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
... nor are you expected to.

But as Yepkio is a moderator of this group, he will - whether you like it or not - be seen as representive of this groups feelings.

Also, as stated, this is the latest in a long line of borderline tactics and condescending arrogant comments. He is by far the worst, but he is not alone.

Hence the use of the phrase "you people". Which I personally don't agree with, I think your idea of "a moderator" would have been better. But fact is he was a moderator when this happened and he still is now.

Natual assumption, although incorrect, will be that he is speaking of the group as a whole.

As I said, you need to step back and see how one member's comments will aeffect yoru group and your mission as a whole because, fairly or unfairly, they will. It's human nauture.



Posted October 10th, 2011 - 10:48 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
The trolls have held the thread for too long.

If anyone has any respect for the regretted departed, this group and their own dignity, STOP NOW.

New posters to this thread will be hunted down and summarily lynched, their family rounded up and sold into slavery and any trace of their passage on God's green earth wiped from existence.

Regards.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 11:00 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Well if the sense of denial persists, then so be it. I guess couchsurfing has nothing to worry about.

Enjoy your struggle, I can do no more to help you.


Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:09 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:17 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"Trolling a thread about the death of someone I know to promote this group is just despicable. "

Agreed. So what are you doing here, fool?

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:35 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Do you relly have to resort to the petty insults?

Has someone else trolled here about the death of someone in this group? Because if not, your comment doesn't make sense.

The pupose of a troll is wind up people. The purpose of Don's post was to register dissasfaction, not wind you up. Picking up on some fine detail doesn't change that.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:40 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Paul, we've exchanged over pm, and you're not any brighter than Don.

Good luck in your life.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:45 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 1:48 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
And now the troll has infringed the ToU for reproducing a pm without permission. I won't do the same, but I will produce the entire remark I made to him, for context:

"Re: Your posts are no better than Yepkio
You are revolting because you are out of line, and borderline autistic in your refusal to acknowledge your remarks are misguided and slanderous to the rest of the group. In other words, a classic troll.

Nobody cares about your comments because no one has any more control over Yepkio than I do of your insulting thread. And nobody cares about Paul's advice because it's impossible to put into practise, I've already wasted time exchanging with Paul, he isn't too bright, either.

The next post you make I will ask you to publicly declare your link to CS. Have you received or were promised a job offer? Stock options?

Regards."

Bye bye, troll.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 2:14 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)

Jesus wept.

Whatever Don's or CS's position, I think we can all sit back and relax if this is the best this group can offer. If you can not tell the difference between a post that offers constructive advice (which no one said you had to take) and "trolling" and can not repoond in a similarly constrctive manner, then I really have no more to say.



Posted October 10th, 2011 - 2:19 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Paul, Don, do I have your permission to reproduce your pm messages in context? I find they're quite enlightening.

Then again, this thread has lived its life and I'm sure noone wants to see any more of it.

Regards.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 11:23 am from Rome, Italy
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 11:43 am from Rome, Italy
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:08 pm from Bratislava, Slovakia
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:10 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
The comment was tasteless and offensive, the person who wrote it should go apologise in the Berlin group.


However, this thread is the first I have heard of this incident.

Therefore, does any responsibility for this comment accrue to me? And if so how much?

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:17 pm from Bratislava, Slovakia
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:28 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"Put yourself for a secondon his shoes and you probably would do and feel the same."

I tried and came to the conclusion that it would never occur to me to post in the Berlin group: "You people have crossed the line in an unforgivable manor" for posts Don Shine makes, here or elsewhere. So David, should someone ever get carried away again in a most regrettable way, I sure hope you will not do the same as Don.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:33 pm from Bratislava, Slovakia
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 8:19 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
David, you are as hopeless as Don.

While the regretted departed might be an appropriate subject amongst his circle of friends, perhaps in another group, this person's passing is hardly the subject here.

I don't even know the guy and I feel sick for him and grieving entourage at Don's abusive exploitation, so I have difficulty imagining this sad event could even be used not just once but also, or worse, by his 'friend', let alone by you. You could do with showing a little of the respect you abusively claim everyone else but you possess.

That you, Don, and crew have the wherewithal and intellectual dishonesty to attempt to disparage 2700+ members here demonstrates some of the darkest of human tendencies. So yes, your support of the exploitation of this person's passing is in fact worse than Yepkio's original comment, just as Casey Fenton's betrayal that inspired it, and by quite a large margin.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 8:33 pm from Barcelona, Spain
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 10th, 2011 - 6:13 pm from Bratislava, Slovakia
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 11th, 2011 - 8:02 am from Castegnero, Italy
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 11th, 2011 - 12:22 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 11th, 2011 - 12:33 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
You have done far more than express grief and disgust, you have crossed the line yourself and usurped your friend's death for personal reasons. That you persist days after the fact convinces me that your actions can't be excused simply because you are stricken by grief. There is another explanation, and it is clear to all here.

Post removed.
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 12:36 pm by from Moscow, Russia (Permalink)
This post has been removed by the user.

Deleted Post
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 1:39 pm from Castegnero, Italy
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Post removed.
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 2:22 pm by from Moscow, Russia (Permalink)
This post has been removed by the user.

Deleted Post
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 4:42 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 11th, 2011 - 4:54 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"I wasn't so far off the mark."

You are incapable of recognising your own insulting behaviour, any more than Yepkio is.

When will you apologise to the other 2700+ members?



Post removed.
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 5:01 pm by from Moscow, Russia (Permalink)
This post has been removed by the user.

Deleted Post
Posted October 11th, 2011 - 12:05 pm from Rome, Italy
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 11th, 2011 - 12:37 pm from Mainz, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 9:29 am from Belo Horizonte, Brazil
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 9:37 am from Duesseldorf, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 9:45 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"It's sad that this is one of the most discussed topics on this group, it's sad that "you people"

Franky, did you realise people can see the timestamps on the posts?

This thread had been dormant for days until you posted, riding shotgun with Larry, Moe and Curly with your collective guilt theme.

Good job trolling!

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 10:04 am by from Bucharest, Romania (Permalink)
Is anybody in this community still thinking happy thoughts/wants to make the world a better place in a constructive way, without insults, anger, personal pain and frustration?

Can you direct me to a positive post on this group (that I missed reading in the last couple of weeks, hoping the agressions will fade)? :)

Have a beautiful autumn/spring weekend (wherever you are, from Berlin to Tokyo, Papua New Guinee, Tazmania or whatever)!

PS: and no matter what you think or say Don, keep in mind that you are a part of this group, community, so a part of the so called "you people" ;)

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 10:32 am from Belo Horizonte, Brazil
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 10:39 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
My troll remark was excessive in your case Frank, my apologies! I hit the reply button too quick, and there's no going back from there.

But you still have to take responsability for reviving this cesspool of a dormant thread and that's what I can't get my head around. Like Don's original post in this thread, it is the stuff of irony, or perhaps rather, hypocrisy

Regards.

Posted October 14th, 2011 - 11:19 am by from Bucharest, Romania (Permalink)
Francesco caro,

I'm not the biggest fan of DEDE either :)... sometimes I agree with what he posts/other times I don't.

But why should I feel offended because he (or anybody else here) would call me in a way that I am convinced in goes totally against to what I stand for? :)

Anyways, sometimes, being shouted back at is better than being totally ignored ...that's how us, people, work :(

The world could call me any names...we are what we want to be and the ppl who know us/experience/appreciate us for real know better!
We are not perfect and sometimes I also look back at my thoughts/actions/words and think they were wrong...I take responsibility for them and kindly ask not to be shoot at before reflection :)

The point is that I believe ppl who are really kind at heart reach other levels, than to bother about personal insults on threads from strangers....we are soooo different, but yet, we stand here today for a much bigger and common goal...don't WE?

When I read some posts of this thread I got infuriated (AGAIN) with all the non-sense that is happening on this group)...and I wanted to "fight back" with a harsher reply...but then I realized that is not gonna make anything else that enhance the snow(shit)ball!

And DEDE already apologised for being excessive in the end...:) so we're understood now :)

Have a lovely weekend and pretty please, after writing any messages, to anyone about anything...RE-READ them and let your heart decide if you should go through with it!

Anca




Posted October 14th, 2011 - 12:29 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Can we all just stop leaving each other negative references for disagreements over group posts? i don't think its to anyone's benefit that there are now permanent monuments to some people's stupidity.

Posted October 24th, 2011 - 7:11 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Yepkio is history, profile deleted. Case closed.

Posted May 1st, 2013 - 5:01 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted May 7th, 2013 - 9:45 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted August 2nd, 2012 - 8:49 am by from London, England (Permalink)
Dear guys,

I'd like to think I'm a pretty intelligent guy but this thread has completely lost me!

Firstly, condolences are due for a death of a friend; I'm genuinely sorry for your loss, Don.

Secondly, I have no qualms whatsoever for posting this or being seen to prolong this thread as someone using a death in this manner is ethically and morally totally inappropriate and clarity and truth must be established.

With this in mind can someone please explain to me, either by PM or thread post, what exactly is happening here?!

1. Who made the original remarks about exploiting this death for financial gain?

2. What was done about this behaviour?

3. Why are people complaining about the placement of this post in the 'We are against CS becoming a for-profit corporation' group? Surely, this base monetising of such a profoundly sad event is appropriate content?

4. Who does the controversial statement, 'You people...' refer to? And why are people angry about its use?

5. Why are people accusing Don of being a troll?

I would really welcome and appreciate some insight into this!

Warm wishes to you all,

Gareth

Posted August 2nd, 2012 - 9:15 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
Gareth, this unfortunate thread has been inactive since last October. To reply briefly, the thread is complicated in part because it was imported from other groups. As Don's first message makes clear, he came to this group to complain about a thread in another group. Don is well known as someone who is opposed to people who think CouchSurfing should have remained non-profit. "You people" often refers to the members of this group, as well as anyone else who questions CouchSurfing ethics. Don complained that people were using this death for political ends elsewhere and then did his best to publicize the death as widely as possible, including importing the controversy here.

Posted August 2nd, 2012 - 4:35 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Many thanks, LIBERTEDEPAROLE, for the reply. I think I understand now. Was the original comment made sarcastically by a member opposed to CS' change to corporate status? And Don took insult at this? I only ask because I am active in informing people about what I consider to be couchsurfing's immoral actions and, thus, need to be clear about what information I pass on. Could you let me know which thread this started on? Many thanks for your time and patience!

Posted January 13th, 2013 - 7:24 am from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 13th, 2013 - 4:20 pm from Montcuq, France
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 13th, 2013 - 4:33 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Not sure what the point of reviving this thread with off-topic posts is, especially considering that many, including the OP, would most likely post very differently today, more than a year later.

Posted January 15th, 2013 - 4:17 am from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 15th, 2013 - 10:20 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Thanks Don. It is the "you people" part referring to a group of more than 4000 people that's problematic, as if "Sippenhaft" was back.

Posted January 18th, 2013 - 4:56 pm from Padova, Italy
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 5:15 am from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 8:39 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don, the very first response to your original post was

"Don, that post you quote was in very bad taste.

But what do you mean by "you people" and why do you post it here?

Do you personally take responsibility for all posts made in the Berlin group?"


If you had left it at that or nuanced your discourse instead of pouring oil on the fire by posting

"A moderator of this group uses the death of a couch surfer to further
the "We are a against CS becoming a corporation" message. By being a
member of this group you support initiatives like this. That is why I
use the term "you people"."


the thread may well have stopped long ago.

I don't know how it is in Berlin, but in general group moderators have no power on CS and they have never represented group members.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 9:50 am from Berlin, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 3:23 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 4:41 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don, here's another contribution to growing your knowledge of the local language and explaining why your posts got some of the responses they got:

Wie man in den Wald hineinruft, so schallt es heraus.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 7:58 pm from Berlin, Germany
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 8:21 pm from Paris, France
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 10:32 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Don, no x 3. Putting words in people's mouths doesn't make you shine.

I believe you understand pretty well by now why members of this group reacted in this thread the way they did. As much as your being upset with one member of this group is understandable, posting as you did about "you people" was trolling, in quite bad taste, revolting, out of line, not exactly grown-up behaviour, and yes, also foolish. How long do you want to carry on trying to justify your own (forgivable) manure by actions of individuals?

Posted January 19th, 2013 - 11:07 pm from Paris, France
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted January 20th, 2013 - 6:34 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Don, for Christ's sake.

The profile which left your most recent negative reference is called 'Dirka Dirka'. That's a quote from 'Team America'. It is obviously a fake profile. It is a troll. Trolls are endemic all over the internet. Trolls exist in every single forum.


If you seriously think the actions of a troll with an empty profile are representative of this group, you are seriously deluded. You might well say that the CS website as a whole bears more responsibility for the actions of this troll than this one group does. At least CS admin have the tools to control trolling: we do not.

'We' have no control over who joins up this group. Hell, group moderators (who aren't even elected) don't even have the power to kick someone out. Yepkio (now deleted) was never elected a group mod.

I'm sorry you were upset by the actions of a now deleted profile and that you received another negative reference from a profile which will probably soon be deleted.
But your agenda here is quite obvious.

Please just contact admin, ask to have the negative reference removed, and move on.






Posted May 8th, 2013 - 5:17 pm from Rockchapel, Ireland (Republic of)
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted February 4th, 2013 - 4:10 am from Castegnero, Italy
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.

Posted May 1st, 2013 - 5:00 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted June 7th, 2013 - 7:05 am from Duesseldorf, Germany
This member profile has been deactivated

Posted January 29th, 2013 - 1:30 am by from Peshawar, Pakistan (Permalink)
Sincere Purpose bears no place for controversy.

Posted January 29th, 2013 - 9:27 am from Sariyer, Turkey
This member has chosen to allow only Couchsurfing members to see their group posts. To see this full converstion, sign up or log in.