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There is still hope for the original CS spirit
Posted November 11th, 2012 - 10:51 am from Shanghai, China
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Posted November 11th, 2012 - 3:50 pm by from Sharon Springs, United States (Permalink)
Few organizations are free or sustained by profit alone. Government milks both the many for the few and the few for the many. "Volunteer" labor feeds infants at home while captive infants in "free" public schools are monitored by salaried staff. Who pays?

Posted November 12th, 2012 - 10:57 am from Nice, France
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Posted November 12th, 2012 - 8:36 pm from Cologne, Germany
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Posted November 13th, 2012 - 11:11 pm by from Perugia, Italy (Permalink)
shoot! does that mean that Be Welcome is NOT a valid alternative? I was kind of putting my eggs into that basket... Let me know what you know, please...

Posted November 14th, 2012 - 7:36 am from Shanghai, China
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Posted November 14th, 2012 - 7:39 am from Shanghai, China
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Posted November 14th, 2012 - 7:43 am from Shanghai, China
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Posted November 14th, 2012 - 9:03 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"Can anyone be more specific about what's wrong with BeWelcome?"

In brief, nothing.

I believe the person complaining is basing his problem on a very partial analysis of the situation.

If I understand correctly it goes like this: BW has information about its users. Therefore it could exploit that information economically.

But the structure of BW pretty solidly prevents that.

The argument is pretty much: thieves have cars, Tom has a car, therefore Tom is a thief.

What is great about BW is there is an enormous amount of member oversight, control, information and input. If anything, its biggest problem is that there is "too much", which slows down decisions and improvements.

Posted November 14th, 2012 - 5:49 pm from Shanghai, China
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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 11:12 am by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
"as far as OpenCouchsurfing goes, I heard the guy got paid off. Too bad."

Haha. That's a bunch of bullocks.
I think you might be confused with couchsurfing.NET here.

opencouchsurfing was started back in 2006, by me and three other former couchsurfing volunteers (Morgan, Thomas and Callum). We tried to change couchsurfing for a while, e.g. through a petition. Then the blog kinda started leading its own life and when CS finally came out of the closet as a for profit we didn't see much need anymore to keep it up.

OpenCS never was an alternative to CS, it was just an attempt at changing CS that slightly degenerated.. mainly because CS itself degenerated.

If you want an alternative, join BeWelcome.

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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 4:49 pm by from Palo Alto, United States (Permalink)
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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 11:13 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
Hi Shawn, free to start another blog with the mission to change CS if you want. But back in 2007 when CS was still a non-profit OpenCS didn't change for the better, I even think it somehow had the oposite effect. And chances of changing _anything_ now are even lower. I'm in regular touch with Thomas and Callum and I can tell you, there's no chance that any of us wants to spend any more time on OpenCS.

If you have energy to do something, use it to work on BeWelcome, coding, discussing, spreading the message, even just traveling and primarily using BeWelcome to find hosts.
Or if you don't like BeWelcome, find something else, like Warm Showers, or start something new. Forget about the idea that you can change anything in CS, especially now that it's mostly about the bottom line.

Posted November 14th, 2012 - 9:09 am from Shanghai, China
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Posted November 14th, 2012 - 11:54 pm from Vienna, Austria
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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 3:25 am by from Palo Alto, United States (Permalink)
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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 4:53 am by from London, England (Permalink)
hi shawn where did you get this info.?

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Posted December 2nd, 2012 - 10:09 am by from Palo Alto, United States (Permalink)
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