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Posted January 14th, 2013 - 4:28 pm by from Turin, Italy (Permalink)
In only 5 hours my posts (in Italian) related to censorship in this site were eliminated in the Torino group, according to CS the posts were off-topic. Not only but some groups related to leaving CS are also remove.


Posted January 14th, 2013 - 4:40 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Torino group, or place?

Posted January 14th, 2013 - 4:50 pm by from Turin, Italy (Permalink)
Here Torino group is the same of place.
The post were related to the censorship of big companies and CS, some persons reply me but this morning CS eliminate the post, another post republishing the info eliminated was eliminate suddenly. The last one type <> but referred to the same thing was eliminated

Posted January 14th, 2013 - 7:07 pm from Thessaloniki, Greece
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Posted January 14th, 2013 - 10:50 pm by from Turin, Italy (Permalink)
Well, the post where publised in Turin group https://www.couchsurfing.org/n/places/torino-piedmont-italy
The group eliminated I mentioned is the called Leaving CS for bewelcome.
The message I recevive was:

We've hidden the following post from the Torino page:
----post-----
Your post was flagged by one or more members as off-topic. The Torino page is reserved for discussions related to Torino. If you want to have a discussion that is not about a place, please visit our General Discussion forums: https://www.couchsurfing.org/n/info/help

The interesting thing is that the first message I post was elimnated after 12 hour (all the night). The second one was online only 9 minutes, and the third one almost 3 hours.
We were discussing about censrship, about leaving CS and go to bewelcome, encourage the persons to do that, and left the "city" of CS to arrive at the new city "bw" (), that does not ask your for money, and it is more efficient verify the identity.

Posted January 14th, 2013 - 11:55 pm from Thessaloniki, Greece
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Posted January 15th, 2013 - 1:08 am from London, England
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Posted January 18th, 2013 - 5:28 pm from Padova, Italy
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Posted January 22nd, 2013 - 1:57 pm from Vienna, Austria
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Posted March 20th, 2013 - 7:39 am by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
A thread of mine in spanish was deleted without reasons in Madrid. It contained the information regarding the security problem arisen by the deletion of profiles (if you are travelling and your profile or the profile of your host becomes deleted). I opened the same thread in Barcelona, Santiago de Chile, Málaga, Ciudad de México, Cancún and Salamanca. Two days later all simultaneously were deleted (tagged by one or more members as off-topic).

BUT I "reopened" them! I wrote just new threads with the subject "CS forbids discussion about general issues in the places' sites. Do you know where to open general discussions?" Inside there I copied the deleted information. These threads are not yet tagged as off-topic.
Here Santiago de Chile:
https://www.couchsurfing.org/n/threads/santiago-santiago-metropolitan-region-chile-ayer-la-direccion-del-nuevo-couchsurfing-con-animo-de-lucro-cerro-varias-conversaciones-en-diversas-ciudades-del-mundo-hi

Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 1:02 pm from Rockchapel, Ireland (Republic of)
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Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 1:28 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
The comparison with Coca Cola is quite off. Better look at other social networks. Is Facebook removing people who are promoting Diaspora? Did MySpace remove people for mentioning Facebook?

I agree that discussing this is better done on other websites but it's a fucking disgrace that normal people have to think about what to not write on this website. And if CS is upset about links to other sites, where does it end? FB is a big competitor as well and actually has billions of dollars in their war chest.

Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 1:43 pm from Padova, Italy
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 10:49 am from Paris, France
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 11:07 am from Padova, Italy
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Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 6:14 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
When someone changes addresses, it is normal for them to inform others that they can be reached at a new address. It is also normal for their mail carrier - in this case CS - to help people to contact the at their new address.

I understand that PoisonJJJ thinks it would be best that people behave in a certain way, according to her logic. But one should understand that one's one point of view is not shared by everyone. So we are left with two ideas, those who believe different points of view can co-exist, and those who want to force their approach on everyone.

I see no reason that anyone should be forced to do their hosting/surfing/communicating only at one site, nor that anyone should be thrown out of a community because they talk about other communities. When will Coke-a-Cola say it refuses to sell Coke to people who admit they drink coffee? When will Random House refuse to sell you a book if you also read books from another publisher?

CS seems to have that particularly American attitude that if THEY don't control everything, it must be bad. They need to grow up, get some experience of the world, do a little inter-cultural exchange.

Posted March 23rd, 2013 - 6:46 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"but they are acting as drama queens and nothing more"

Exactly.

If they feed you horse meat and say it is beef, don't complain, don't tell anyone. You can just stop buying it. But it would be unfair to the corporation and their stockholders to tell people the truth about what they are consuming. Maybe people will actually like horse meat, as long as they don't know what it is. In fact, maybe the corporation can start selling horse shit, as long as you keep your mouth shut, like a good citizen of the corporation.

Posted March 26th, 2013 - 1:12 am by from Belgrade, Serbia (Permalink)
@LIBERTEDEPAROLE>>> "CS seems to have that particularly American attitude that if THEY don't
control everything, it must be bad. They need to grow up, get some
experience of the world, do a little inter-cultural exchange."

This is almost excatly what I wrote to that Mario C$ "eraser guy", that they are putting different cultures worldwide on common ground through - money. And that there is very, very different and very, very nice world out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmoYpJIUWhY

When it comes to those "barking dogs" (how I call them) promoting BeWelcome with every inhale and exhale and doing that stuff that they did to Julia (that dude from Hungary), they actually can't be more wrong and are actually more damaging the idea than spreading it. From my, almost graduate PR and somewhat experienced anarcho-rebel dude point of view, it is completely idiotic. On the verge of commercial suicide. Almost borderline mongoloid...

But I completely support the idea of using the C$ as a platform to do what we love the most while using BW as much as the former one: it is longer, but easier and more appropriate way to get people to know what C$ is doing to the privacy of the people and that there is a nice alternative. It is not as developed as C$ (people there are working on it), but I'm sure as time goes by it will be much better place than this one. I plan to be here as much as needed. Also, when guests (surfers) arrive at my place, everyone asks what is all about, so you stat to explain and wrap it up in nice, descripitve words... :)

Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 2:18 pm from Paris, France
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Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 7:44 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"For example would coca-cola allow people on their website to make claims that pepsi is better?"

Actually, they do.

"Cs is now a fully fledged 'B-Corporation'"

False. "New CS" is a C Corporation, legally obliged to maximize shareholder profits. And New CS is having as much success as New Coca-Cola, which the Coke Corporation was forced to withdraw from the market.

"and has to protect its own business interests since it became a private corporation."

Arguing that censorship is way to protect business interests is one stupid approach. Many of the world's most successful businesses (like the world's largest corporation, Apple) invite comparison with other products, because they actually try to make a better product.

Even if you accept that CS is now a product, what interest does CS have to censor all the useful feedback they receive from long-time members? But in fact that is exactly what they are doing, even banning some of the most valuable members because these members actually have something to say. Whereas CS management has adopted earplugs and blinders as their favored communication tool.


Posted March 13th, 2013 - 8:17 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
I'm trying to create an overview of this and other forms of censorship (such as profile deletion) at http://couchwiki.org/en/CouchSurfing_censorship

Feel free to help. It's a wiki. Just click edit :)

Posted March 14th, 2013 - 9:31 am from Locarno, Switzerland
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Posted March 15th, 2013 - 8:53 pm by from Brussels, Belgium (Permalink)
You mean copy the posts in couchsurfing groups and places that are linked from that page? Well, if they get censored... fine! Meanwhile there's enough info outside of CS. It would just prove the point.

Still, feel free to help by coping them to some other place.

Posted March 22nd, 2013 - 7:58 pm from London, England
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