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Posted February 9th, 2013 - 5:02 pm from Frankfurt am Main, Germany
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Posted February 9th, 2013 - 5:24 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
If you didn't realize that they had erased or sabotaged the existing features which accomplished everything their "new" and unsuccessful feature aimed at, you could almost find his post made some vague sense.

For those 125+ people who did try to redo some of the lost work, erasing it again must be another CS slap in the face.

If a two-month trial is the CS standard, I smell another round of pink slips in San Francisco CS.

Posted February 10th, 2013 - 10:30 pm from Paris, France
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Posted February 10th, 2013 - 10:37 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
What makes you believe that the statistical tools are accurate?

Posted February 10th, 2013 - 11:14 pm from Paris, France
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Posted February 10th, 2013 - 11:27 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
Knowing exactly what pages people clicked on doesn't mean you understand anything about anything. And most importantly they have no statistics on the people who don't click because CS's random changes to the site are counterproductive to usability. CS has been constantly overthrowning the central (but changing) principles of the site now for two straight years. Counting clicks can't give them any useful information because they obviously don't have a clue about how people try to use the site. Their active destruction of some of the site's most popular features, replacing them by inferior conception and design, shows they are struggling to have any understanding of the site. Nit surprising since many of the "deciders" are completely new, and none of them have an understanding of how the site was actually used.

Posted February 10th, 2013 - 11:27 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
I don't doubt that they have implemented statistical tools since numbers are their new religion. But why should we assume that these tools are used accurately or intelligently, that the numbers are accurate and that they are interpreted correctly? You can find pretty good indications that they are not here: https://support.couchsurfing.org/entries/23079961

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 1:45 am from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 2:16 am from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 2:16 am from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 2:31 am by from London, England (Permalink)
What's the link to the post about the statistical tools CS is using?

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 3:35 am from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 3:46 am from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 4:05 am by from London, England (Permalink)
Thanks!

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 9:13 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"A quick review of 3 large sites shows unique estimates under-reported by 85% – 90%. Not even close to reality. Similar to Alexa’s missteps on audience demographic, Quantcast viewed our Males, 35-44, site instead as Females, 50+."

http://proximitysearchwork.com/how-accurate-are-online-traffic-tools/

"the demographic data are population-wide projections from
comparatively small sample sets of web users. If the sample is biased, so is the projection."


http://www.quora.com/Are-Quantcasts-demographic-numbers-accurate

So much for accuracy. Add to that that CS is constantly changing site navigation and has no clue what they are actually measuring and how to interpret it, and you get an understanding of how and why CS makes these decisions which nobody understands but many here should be happy with as they do such a great job at self-destructing.

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 9:32 pm from Paris, France
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Posted February 11th, 2013 - 9:47 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"real data" is only valuable if you know how to interpret it, or if you find someone who will pay money for it without understanding it. The kind of people who believe CS has 6 million deeply engaged "members". Without it, they are just meaningless numbers. Some people may actually believe that making the site unintuitive, generating extra clicks as users click all over in frustration looking for what they cannot find, is a good thing that adds value which can be monetized. That's pretty much where CS management and investors are at the moment, I believe, and that's fine with me.

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 9:22 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"I think that their moves are guided by stats only now. They have objectives, which can be to keep user as long as possible on the site or lead him/her to reach a given one using a given path."

Increased web traffic is obviously a great selling point for any site. That may indeed be their only goal.

But CS have been largely incompetent in achieving that goal. People do not return to a site or stay on it when the navigation is a disaster, except by obligation. Even then, people change banks.

Posted February 11th, 2013 - 3:09 pm from Paris, France
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