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Posted July 1st, 2013 - 11:32 pm from Muenster, Germany
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Posted July 3rd, 2013 - 3:19 pm by from Duebendorf, Switzerland (Permalink)
I agree with you.

If people want a website to combine traveling with dating, they should have if. Why not? But why does it needs to be CS? I am pretty sure that most of the "older" CS members had (and hopefully still have) this special travellers spirit. That includes beeing open to experience new cultures and people. Of course that can result in quite intense encounters...but that's not the main goal, or otherwise you are missing the point.

Maybe it is time to move on for the traveller and leave CS to the people who are (mainly) looking for a free bed and the chance to get lucky. Another meaningless web-creature.

But I don't want to be too pessimistic. I still have great experiences with couchsurfers. If not, I'd be gone already...

Posted July 3rd, 2013 - 6:14 pm by from Belgrade, Serbia (Permalink)
CS inc., travelling and dating, why not? When you go travelling abroad do you reject men/women on the basis that you are not there for dating?

People are free to use the site for whatever purpose they want as long as its not illegal or for violence. I just don't approve of using this site exclusively for dating, but then again, its just me and the way I think. Hell, people are using CS inc. for myriads and myriads of other reasons that are dangerous and not appropriate, so why not dating, especially if its mutual?

Posted July 6th, 2013 - 12:37 am from Paris, France
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Posted July 8th, 2013 - 6:08 pm by from Hilton Head Island, United States (Permalink)
Hi. I am reading your discussion and I would like to share how I feel about turning the CS site into a dating site. I haven't been part of CS for very long, only 8 months and I mostly hosted. What I expect from CS is to offer a SAFE PLACE. That's why I registered here. If I start to feel that I have to be more careful in my choice, or hoping that I won't get a jerk as a host, I won't feel like using CS anymore and I will look for another one (there are other good similar sites, but not so well known). What is great about CS is that it's so well spread that you have good chances to find a host pretty much everywhere. I agree with you, Ser_Yo, CS has to stick to its original principles. 2 days ago, this guy sent me a request for one night. He had no references whatsoever and he lives 45 min from where I live! Of course I declined. Is it a big deal? Not if you are getting the request and you have the choice to say no. But if I were traveling and really counting on finding a host one night, and the only choice would be a guy, I would want to count on CS to make it as safe as possible for me, by applying those original principles. I have a good intuition in general and jerks are easily "spotable" for me, but that's not the question. I'd like to believe that I can trust the site to keep it safe for all its users, that's all. Why has it been so successful for so many years? Because it has managed to avoid compromises. Let's keep SC a SAFE PLACE to travel with!

Posted July 9th, 2013 - 12:08 am by from Belgrade, Serbia (Permalink)
The idea of CS, the way I see it, is cultural exchange and socialization MAINLY through HOSTING/SURFING. This given, and as Stephane already said, what happens after initial "hello" is not of anybodies concern.

What Julia said: "truth is, that poor noobs joining NOW have no idea what to expect and
how to use the site, leading to all sort of crazy and grotesque
situations", was my main and the strongest argument why the idea of CS will be destroyed. This way of travelling is not for everybody, but it seems that everybody is now doing just that: joining in. Being a good host and guest DEMANDS dedication and a LOTS, and I mean, a LOTS of good will, patience, tolerance and understanding. So, the same goes with male-female relationships, be it platonic or sexual.

I don't feel like going into a discussion of what hosting/surfing should be like since the main concern of the theme is DATING and not having spontaneous mutual sexual encounter with your host/guest. I don't approve dating through CS and find those people utterly laughable and miserable, but I won't do anything against it either because there are many groups here that I also find very tasteless or provocative and are much more hurting my idea of hospitality than a group for dating, but then again its just me and I'm using this site for my own purpose.

On Belgrade group more and more people are openly posting the propostions for parties in which they PREFER women. I don't know if that's the situation with your places as well, but when you see that its maybe better to direct them to a "dating group" than seeing them whoring themselves and CS all around.

As for leaving a negative reference because of NORMAL, polite and spontaneous sexual proposition, I think its wrong. Having sex is normal human activity as is eating or taking shower, but rape and being aggressive in an atempt to satisfy a sexual urge is wrong and its sufficient to say that leaving a negative is a must.

Posted July 9th, 2013 - 1:34 am from Muenster, Germany
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Posted July 14th, 2013 - 3:56 am from Paris, France
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Posted July 23rd, 2013 - 11:44 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
CS is NOT ordinary social interaction. There are very good reasons to apply more restrictive rules in a situation where people are particularly vulnerable to predators. A community has a responsibility to try to protect its members.

When lodging through CS, people are placing themselves at the mercy of strangers in a foreign environment where they may have little understanding of such simple things as how to contact the police or how to escape from a torturer. (They may also be unaware of "cultural" differences that lead to people who report rape in some places being sent to jail themselves, as in the recent case of the Norwegian woman in Dubai.)

There have been hundreds of people - mostly women - raped and sexually abused through CS.

Just a couple weeks ago, I spoke with the CEO of CouchSurfing Corporation for many hours over two days while he was staying at my apartment.

He told me the number of cases of sexual abuse through CS of which he is aware of is profoundly shocking, and that he is certain that the true number is much higher. He also was quite adamant that the "safety" measures in place at CS, including vouching, references and verification, are completely inadequate to deal with the problems.

David



Posted July 23rd, 2013 - 4:07 pm from Woollahra, Australia
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Posted July 23rd, 2013 - 7:52 pm from Paris, France
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Posted July 24th, 2013 - 9:15 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
Stephanefr,

There has already been a CS host here in Sarkozy's France arrested for drugging their CS guests with date rape drugs. Some of his victims did not even know they had been drugged. There are many other cases that have reached the justice system. The CS Rape Survey, although not scientific, turned up dozens of people who had been raped. My own conservations with women on CS have revealed many cases where women felt threatened and I have personnally talked with CS guests who were raped.

Denialism is widespread in sexual violence. Do you really believe there is no problem? That the raped women are fabricating? That CS is the only lace in the world that is safe?

Even the CEO of CS confirms that the problem is real. And yes, I agree with you that CS is not doing enough, certainly in part to avoid the bad publicity and loss to profits that public knowledge of the severity of the problem would cause.

Pretending a problem does not exist is of no help. The problem does exist.

There is no need for it to be worse than another place. Should French police stop arresting murderers because there are more murders in the US? Should CS do nothing about sexual abuse because it also exists elsewhere? Should you set your house on fire because some other houses have burned down?

I am not arguing the problem exists only on CS. That is of no importance. Yes, the problem exists elsewhere. Yes it exists on CS.

Because of the fact that people are in a more vulnerable position when staying in a stranger's home in a foreign country, we as a community have a greater responsibility.

It is certainly possible to disagree about what actions would be effective. But putting your head in the sand and saying there is no problem is thoughtless and dangerous.

Posted July 24th, 2013 - 10:16 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"If by that you mean "hosting" isn't normal social interaction (there being a wide range of CS meetings and activities outside of hosting) then I would say any kind of hosting, is prone to abuse, not just that found through CS."

Living is prone to abuse. But people are more vulnerable in some situations than in others. European pick-pockets target Asians because the pickpockets knowingly realize that the average Asian tourist is more likely to carry cash, and less likely to be able to defend themselves than a local, if only for reasons of language. CS predators have demonstratively used similar tactics, targeting those people they consider to be least dangerous.

But even if it can be interesting to philosophize about where people are most exposed to abuse, the only significant question here is how to best protect people on CS from abuse, abuse that does exist, as it exists elsewhere.

"I belonged to churches that also throw out blanket requests like "so-and-so's friend coming from somewhere needs a host". The premise of CS is no different, just accelerated by technology, because it relies on a chain of trust."

But even when it works "correctly", that chain is longer on CS. But that chain is also broken on CS, and even the Corporate management admits that. The links in that trust chain - verification, references, vouching - are all false guarantees which perhaps give more of a false sense of security than they are effective.

Yes, you can argue that the victims shouldn't be so stupid as to trust these "trust mechanisms", that only a fool would believe people like Stephane who argue that there are no problems on CS because he has met women who haven't told him they had problems.

"we need active members on the ground to spot troublemakers and report them to local authorities if something untoward happens. We need people who are able to detect victimised surfers and give them moral or emotional or even financial support to get justice. There should be more pre-emptive action. (eg, The other night, I helped a german girl get a last minute host - another girl at a CS meeting. The surfer was ready to stay with anyone out of desperation, but she was lucky that I could connect them - I'd like to think I've helped her avoid a potential hazardous situation)"

Exactly. I strongly endorse such thinking.

Which is why saying "there is no problem" is so abusive in itself.

One of the suggested lines of action is to reinforce the long-standing statement that "CS is not a dating site", which was part of its definition long before the sell out. And also taking other action to decrease the place of "dating site" actions on CS. The community has a right to define itself and define what it feels encourages its purpose and discourage things which are counterproductive.

The ideas you mention resemble the "Local Safety Teams" I discussed with the CEO, which he seemed open to. But he is somewhat hesitant in part because he has found that Ambassadors have often been responsible for sexual abuse themselves, something well known to concerned members of the community.

I also suggested that CS should tell members about some of the known sexual abuse cases on CS (perhaps with names made anonymous if best). He was much less open to this.

Some people believe that an organization OUTSIDE of CS would be most effective, being able to address abuse which moves from site to site, and also avoiding the questions of corporate management that the CS "Safety" staff cannot avoid.

"If everyone threw up their hands in despair and jumped ship, they are allowing a culture of abuse to grow."

Noone has a responsibilty to remain in CS, especially when there are more moral alternatives growing, such as BeWelcome. You are not forced to remain in a church, just because you joined once. It is quite reasonable to leave a church and join another or leave religion altogether because you disagree with policies and actions. Jumping a sinking ship is intelligent. Protecting the vulnerable is as well. Some things can be repaired. Sometimes it is best to start over. Different people will reach different decisions, which needn't be definitive.

Posted August 5th, 2013 - 2:06 pm from Woollahra, Australia
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Posted August 5th, 2013 - 8:54 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
First, since the innuendo seems to be slanted in the direction that people opposed to dating-site-mentality are opposed to sex, let me be clear: I encourage people to have as much consensual safe sex as they want, whether it be solo, duet, trio or symphony orchestra.

- - -

We have often evoked the idea of "community". What it is helpful to understand is that the "CS community" contains rapists and thieves. Furthermore, we have proof that some people are attracted specifically to the CS community because they believe that specific vulnerabilities of CS make members relatively-safe targets for sexual and other abuse.

Sek-Mun, I appreciate your dialogue.

You seem to define "community" as the people you have met. I'm not sure many other people are using this definition of "community".

But I think you can leave CS - ie., no longer be a member of CS - and still interact with people you met through CS, just as changing schools or jobs doesn't mean you erase everyone you met from your life. Personally, my "CS community" consists very little of people I have met at CS events, nor of people who live in the same cities as I do. That is not what attracts me to CS. YMMV.



"You can't get CS admins to solve a problem that one can't (or won't) solve at a local, grass-roots level."

No matter what action is taken by local groups and CS management, rape and other abuse will continue to exist in relationship with CS. Just as no matter how good sanitation laws are, people will still get sick. But that is no reason to say, "just wash your hands and boil your drinking water. Forget about sewers; we don't need them."



"Trying to stop the dating groups is like denying it happens in real life."

In my living room, I don't allow people to play football. That doesn't mean I hate football or that I am trying to stop football from existing "in real life" (actually life in my living room is pretty real to me).

I don't allow football in my living room because it has a tendency to break things. Encouraging or allowing dating-site and sexual-hookup behavior on CS also breaks things. That is why the site defined itself specifically as "not a dating site" before either I or you joined.

Because of the secondary effects. Just like medication. If the secondary effects kill you, who really cares if it "works"?


" Trying to get admins to solve abuses is appeasing our conscience by avoiding our moral responsibility to help people around us."

That could sometimes be true.

But individual responsibility is not in contradiction with collective responsibility. In fact, one of the most effective means for exerting personal responsibility is to use the leveraging effect of group action.

And CS-wide action does not necessarily mean action by management. Why are we having this conversation if not to share possibilities, gaining brain power by collective non-local action, even if it is just thinking out loud?

It will be wonderful if local CS groups take on responsibilities for safety. But those local groups are only part of the picture. When Bill Jones hosts someone in Sydney, the "local community" you belong to may not have the slightest idea he exists, nor that he is hosting someone. And even if they do, and learn he has abused someone, they can't ban Bill Jones from CS.

But why restrict action to local groups when there are other possibilities for action? Should police in one city never communicate with police in another city? Should every school write its own textbooks, collaborating on nothing?

I agree that local action may be one effective means of preventing some problems. But should we wait for each local group to invent the wheel? Can't collective action on a CS-wide level lead to local groups being able to take action more easily?

Running is a wonderful activity for people. It keeps them fit, makes them feel good. But at the public swimming pool we discourage running. We may even exclude someone if they refuse to stop running. Because it is dangerous in the context.

CS gaining the reputation of a hook-up site, of a sex site, of a pick-up artist forum, is counterproductive. It is even dangerous, because the more CS is associated in the minds of people with the idea of easy sex, the more it attracts those who wish to exploit the vulnerability of the trust that the CS system needs to exist.

No action will stop all abuse. But we should still try. Even if only 100 less people are raped, that is still a victory.

Posted August 6th, 2013 - 12:41 am from Woollahra, Australia
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Posted August 6th, 2013 - 1:40 am from Paris, France
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Posted August 6th, 2013 - 10:49 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
""You discriminate the CS community, making it special"

I have repeatedly said that it is not important that there is more or less crime on CS than elsewhere. What is important is to stop even one rape.


"for example you
are always trying to convince the reader that it is the favorite target
for potential crime perpetrators.

You never showed any evidence of this."

No, I never said that. I said criminals do specifically use CS to target victims.

Even recently just in France, we have two examples which have reached the justice system and the newspapers. In both cases there is no doubt that the perpetrator specifically used CS to find victims:

A woman specifically targeting CS hosts to steal from them.

A man, already convicted of sex crime, targeting CS guests to drug them (with a "date-rape" drug which makes the victim often lose all memory) and sexually abuse them.

Perhaps if CS did not exist, these criminals would have found other targets. But that is no reason to not try to defend CS members from criminals as best as possible.



"Your football/living room example is ridiculous. You do not own CS, you
don't make the rules,

I don't own France either. That doesn't mean I can't be in favor of some laws and other action by the state.

CS exists on several levels.

There is a corporation, which makes the rules about how the site is administered. No, I do not control the corporation. But even if it is the worst possible corporation, there are still means for effectuating pressure.

"and your examples is no related at all with the
subject."

My example is related to the situation, but I will give other examples in my next post. No metaphor is perfect, just as a benzine molecule isn't really a snake biting its own tail.

"You have to show some arguments when you state something like
"Encouraging or allowing dating-site and sexual-hookup behavior on CS
also breaks things.". Who or what is encouraging sexual-hookup on CS ?
What things break or do not break "CS" (give us a list, tell us where
the above appear in the list, top or bottom ?)"

Search "couchsurfing for sex" on google, where you will find articles such as "How To Bang CouchSurfing Girls – The Complete Guide".

Excerpt:

"My roommates and I hosted extensively at our Rio de Janeiro apartment
and did quite well. By “well” I mean that we ended up doing a fair bit
of “cultural exchange” with three out of every four chicks that came
through the door."

Would you be in favor of allowing this sort of post appearing on the CS site?

Perhaps you are unaware that this same article has already appeared in a CS group?

Are you arguing it should not have been censored by CS management?

Or are you saying that CS management is making exactly the right decisions about censorship and that you trust them?

I believe that just like in France, which I do not "control" either, I should take individual responsibility for improving things and for exerting pressure on "management".



You also must show some evidence that this statement is true, or not :
"That is why the site defined itself specifically as "not a dating site"
before either I or you joined.".

Stephane, what is your theory about why this rule was written?

I have personally spoken about this subject face to face with Casey Fenton (who controlled CS when the rule was written) and with Tony Espinoza (who controls CS now). Though my level of trust concerning them is not high, I see no reason they would lie about this subject. Why do you think they are lying?




"Sure "CS gaining the reputation of a hook-up site, of a sex site, of a
pick-up artist forum, is counterproductive." but is it really ?"

Your question is ambiguous. What is "it"? "Counterproductive" or "reputation"?

See "couchsurfing for sex" and other google searches you are capable of inventing yourself.


"I'm waiting for you to write about CS being nice romantic website, because it is that too, very often."

I am aware of happy couples who have met on CS, just as I am aware of couples who met at work or at school. That doesn't mean the workplace newsletter should have articles about how to hook-up at work - nor that Harvard, Sciences Po or l'ENA should advertize as "a great place to find and f**k your own Ségolène Royal."










Posted August 6th, 2013 - 10:52 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
[Sorry for the formatting problems in my last post. I tried to use color on all the quotes, but the CS editing tool does not always post what I see in the editor. I hope the message is still understandable, even though a few quote marks are missing.]

Posted August 6th, 2013 - 11:04 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
Let's get this clear.

People have been raped when using CS. Do you deny this simple fact?

Do you believe that you need more proof, before you can accept this simple fact? What proof would satisfy you? Would you have to witness a rape with your own eyes? Or would that also be too little, as is the legal situation in some countries where CS exists?

One can explore the questions of the frequency of rape and other abuse, the crime rate. But anyone with the least knowledge of the world accepts the reality that rape does happen on CS.

There seems to be a lack of understanding about how scientific information works. Verifiable statistical information is wonderful, if you can acquire it. However, it is not the only source of scientific knowledge. Einstein "discovered" relativity not by being able to prove that he could line up all the provable facts, but by **thinking**. He based his logic on a very limited and non-conclusive set of observable information. (LATER it was possible to acquire further observations which tended to confirm his thesis.) By thinking and not blindly rejecting anything he couldn't prove absolutely with observations, he was able to make what was arguably the most important scientific discovery of the 20th century.

Can you please demonstrate logically how someone spending the night with a stranger in a city they do not know is NOT more vulnerable than someone who does not take this risk? It is as if you are saying someone who never gets in a car is just as likely to get in an automobile accident as someone who drives everyday.

Risk is a reality. Someone who barricades themselves into their home and never sees anyone is less likely to be raped than someone who sleeps in strangers' homes. That doesn't mean I am advocating not sleeping in strangers' homes nor advocating barricading yourself behind steel-reinforced concrete walls. It simply means that I am willing to think about risk and reality.

It also means I am opposed to rape, which is not the case of all members of CS.

When you go driving, certain behavior is more risky than other behavior. That doesn't mean that in and of itself it is immoral. Some behavior risks the lives of others. As a society we choose to limit legal and acceptable behavior. It saves lives. It may indeed be safe for you to drive drunk at 220 km/hour. There is not an accident every time someone drives over the speed limit or drives with a bottle of vodka in their hand. But we think that speed and alcohol are contributing factors to the frequency and severity of accidents. So as a society, we limit them.

Some think that nothing should be done about rape on CS. That the CS community has no responsibility, because rape also happens outside of CS. But there is no need for the situation to be worse than elsewhere in order to act. We don't stop prosecuting murder in France just because the murder rate is higher in Russia.

I am not arguing that we should use voodoo to combat murder in France or rape on CS. I am arguing that if effective means can be found that do not have excessive negative effects, then action should be taken. One can argue that the price of discouraging rape is too high and the possibilities of effective action are too low.

But arguing that there is no problem is actually effectively supporting rape.

The culture of denialism is especially strong in situations where the victims are more likely to be women, particularly when the denialists are men. But even if that weren't so, denying reality isn't good for anyone.

Posted August 21st, 2013 - 1:11 pm by from Amsterdam, Netherlands (Permalink)
I think Couchsurfing has fundamentally failed if any surfer can't accept a couch (s)he's offered and feel significantly more safe there than at any other hospitality outfit to which (s)he might have had access.

I personally don't object to the -principle- of the commercialisation. I -am- highly dismayed at the direction requests and profiles have gone.. there needs to be significant enforcement on quality of profiles. Say, for instance, unable to post group messages unless profile contains at least 1,000 words; unable to write couch requests until at least two positive references received... etc. This way we bring back what is most fundamental to CS - -knowing- that the member is invested in the community, and the CS ideal, and not just themselves.


Posted August 21st, 2013 - 1:24 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
"I personally don't object to the -principle- of the commercialisation."

Perhaps you can clarify that statement. You believe individuals should be able to confiscate community property and sell it for their personal financial gain? Is that the principle you are evoking?

Posted August 22nd, 2013 - 10:20 am by from Amsterdam, Netherlands (Permalink)
I said personally. On the project scale it is of course abhorrent that collective volunteer effort was sold off for the personal profit of a few individuals. But Couchsurfing is not and never will be the sum of its collective pasts; it's what happens from now on that will define what Couchsurfing is to become. While I don't agree with the sale, provided it is handled in such as way as to preserve the 'spirit' I don't expect the change to greatly affect the way I benefit from Couchsurfing.

That has, as we know of course, proven too much to expect. Hence I hope there can be some measures taken to address the deterioration that CS has suffered since the sale. I still think there is a lot of promise here and the challenge now is to encourage/contribute ideas and methods to ensure that the 'spirit' can be publicised and advanced while at the same time filtering out those who are just 'along for the ride'.

In my profile I have said that "if our society ever develops into the Utopian ideal, they'll look back at Couchsurfing and say, 'that's where it all started' ". Nothing is ever perfect, and of course there will always be set-backs along the way. But the only way a movement can gain real influence is to not give in at every setback.

--A

Posted August 26th, 2013 - 8:14 am by from Nancy, France (Permalink)
Sorry but i think "the spirit" was sold also.
Last time that my girlfriend came to me, she received some messages from guys who wanted to meet....
She only connected on C$ from my place and some guys were already proposing "host" her.
I'm sure that it's this kind of people who are in the C$ single groups, and that's why i totally agree with Ser_Yo.
C$ wasn't made for that, and should try to avoid it....

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Posted July 24th, 2013 - 10:32 am by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
How is the case of the Norwegian women related to couch surfing ?

As I said in my post:

"They [CS surfers] may also be unaware of "cultural" differences that lead to people
who report rape in some places being sent to jail themselves, as in the
recent case of the Norwegian woman in Dubai."

Victims are often told that "it could have happened anywhere", and that they should just "do the right thing", that "women" have only themselves to blame if they didn't report the rape to the police or file a negative reference or tell Stephane that they were raped, something they want to of course share with every stranger they meet.

As a former rape counselor, I know that many women tell NO ONE, not even their closest friends or their life partner. I also know that they often have good reasons - just like the Norwegian woman who is now being punished with a prison sentence because she "did the right thing".

Many people on CS have been punished for leaving negative references, especially when their abuser is "well respected" by CS management - or even a member of management. CS has erased numerous negative references concerning sexual abuse. And yet we are told if someone is an abuser, we will see negative references.

The Omerta of not saying anything bad about CS is something you should not be defending just because the subject is sex.

Posted July 29th, 2013 - 9:26 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Cs is not a dating site for sure. It was not created for this purpose.
But Cs community have a lot of groups which have little to do with the original spirit and purpose of the community. For exemple a chess player can find other players in the place where he lives or all around the world if he is traveling. I think this is a great opportunity. So if there are couchsurfers who look for sex partners, why they cannot create or use specific oriented groups?

Mario

Posted August 5th, 2013 - 1:17 pm from Leeds, England
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Posted July 22nd, 2013 - 9:56 am by from Girona, Spain (Permalink)
Hi let me tell something from Oslo aero port. If I haven't understood wrong, I would tell you that

1st: I'm Fully agree with Päivi and Santeri :)

2nd: and from the moment that C$ has been sold, what do you expect? A mess every day by net?

3rd: C$ ToU are an abuse in it self :/

What's the problem if some of they are horny and want to enjoy in the same city or whatever?

If you don't like porno, understood, you only have to avoid this group of singles travelling.

Actually I think is a healthy way to have sex very enjoyable and trustful ;)

Ops! I can say that from the perspective that I has felt "raped" because C$ blocked my account cause I speak in my profile PRO to BeWelcome over C$. Then I didn't find any C$ in my Norwegian trip (yes BW, thanks guys) and I've spent more than half trip in hihostels.

That is pornography !!!!

Posted July 22nd, 2013 - 5:04 pm from Fellbach, Germany
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Posted July 22nd, 2013 - 9:27 pm by from Belgrade, Serbia (Permalink)
CS inc. will grow and become more and more sort of "dating" site. That's for sure. Since CS inc. went public, the presence of all sorts of "rusted tools" grew rapidly. On Belgrade group, in a matter of only two or three months, were organized quite a few "meetings" by those slobbers in which they, without any scrupulous, said that they prefer women. And I'm not talking only about people from Serbia, but from Argentina, Turkey and western Europe.

The group for dating is really degradating for CS since it is contamination for normal human inter-sex relationship to grow, and that is the second (and logical!!) step after the introduction of money.

Having said that, I've gotta go and see how's my poppy seeds and coca doing... :)

Posted July 22nd, 2013 - 9:38 pm from Paris, France
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Posted August 5th, 2013 - 2:35 pm by from Girona, Spain (Permalink)
Sorry my English :/
I would tell :

1st: I'm Fully agree with Päivi and Santeri :)

***2nd: and from the moment that C$ has been sold, what do you expect? a MASS every day by net?

3rd: C$ ToU are an abuse in it self :/

What's the problem if some of they are horny and want to enjoy in the same city or whatever?

If you don't like porno, understood, you only have to avoid this group of singles travelling.

Actually I think is a healthy way to have sex very enjoyable and trustful ;)