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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 2:51 pm by from Niteroi, Brazil (Permalink)
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:10 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Daniel, did Casey also tell you about Santa Claus?

Since you were privileged to talk to Casey for so many hours, did you get a chance to ask if he ever considered asking members if they would like to pay the debt so as to keep control? We hadn't been shy when asking members to get verfied to make CS so much safer over the past years.

I suggest you do some more research before regretting that you have been used as the newly discovered spokesman of these people.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:11 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:11 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Sorry but it sounds like a load of bull to me. Maybe they can start by explaining why there's no recent financial statements available to the community.

CS has been taking donations under the premise that its a non-profit or charity, now we find out that's not true? Sounds a lot like a bit of fraud going on.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:22 pm by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
I see many people in CS saying that they are easy-going, but I must admit that I have never seen something like that before...

If money was needed, he should have said that and asked for donations!

The movement from non-profit to corporation IS FAR FROM BEING JUSTIFIED. Not at all necessary as he is claiming to be.

I'm amazed that you've changed your mind so easyly.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:27 pm from North Hollywood, United States
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:32 pm by from La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland (Permalink)
Davide,

Please, do not loose your time!

All the discussion, as you can see from this minutes will turn into a containment communication.

... we're gonna have the opportunity to "talk" later, once each of us get total understanding about what's happening, what happended since summer 2006 :=)

Tooki

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:40 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:36 pm by from Wapenveld, Netherlands (Permalink)
1. Were the members informed about these developments before two days ago ?
2. Were the members involved in the decision ?

3. A suggestion:
He could have done a little poll under the members

What would you prefer:

A. Stay a non-profit organization with a simpler slower website. ( maybe take a step back in terms of user friendliness )
B. Become a corporation with a fast website.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:47 pm from North Hollywood, United States
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:51 pm from Warsaw, Poland
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:18 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 5:31 pm by from Salt Lake City, United States (Permalink)
Daniel, don't let kindness, thought out lies and fake laws take you away from the rebellion.

This:
[and having established its legal domicile in the American State of New Hampshire, according to the state Law, Couch Surfing would have to pay about one million U. S. dollars to the state of New Hampshire in order to be allowed to move its legal domicile elsewhere]

Is a flat out lie. There's no way NH can rightfully argue for a million dollars for relocating. It's absurd and only a ploy. And why a million, how come that figure? You have to understand the system, and laws are written by greedy people swindling other people who are naive enough to think those laws even apply and are enforced.

They could of relocated easily. US laws are not universal and most importantly always unjustified and designed to suck money out of the stupid and willing. It's a leach game, New Hampshire was trying to swindle and now we have been swindled out of our donations.

Keep the good fight Daniel, don't succumb to the darkside. I know they're nice and have their story all dialed, but we all know they went the greedy route.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 5:40 pm by from Salt Lake City, United States (Permalink)
The most important two questions I think to ask Casey is..

Ask proof of that New Hampshire law for one million dollars even exists and can even be enforced once relocated to another country. Because it makes no sense they would want to take a "million" from a "non-profit for relocating.

And to ask about giving our donations back to the people who want them, for the simple fact that we donated to something else, and it's a swindle to take our donations and to start making yourself rich of what us members built.


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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:15 pm by from Stoke-on-Trent, England (Permalink)
In my experience exit charges apply in a number of scenario:

- when there is unpaid corporation or other taxes. This we have no idea about as there are no up to date accounts available for public scrutiny. Nevertheless, from what Casey has said re income being insufficient to pay proper levels of staff wages, it would seem unlikely that there are millions of untaxed profits.

- when claims have been made for tax relief that are reversed on exit - again unlikely with only 10k of assets.

- when assets or vehicles pregnant with capital gain are moved outside the tax jurisdiction. As CS only has 10k of assets outside of the database, I am assuming that the IRS have based their estimate on the potential value of the DB.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:18 pm by from Stoke-on-Trent, England (Permalink)
PS agree with Ronny re the coding. I'm only an amateur / hobby programmer but could code a lot of the features on CS.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 11:33 pm from Salmon Arm, Canada
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 3:57 pm by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
1 million to move? Right... If that is even half true then just kill the organization and found a new one anywhere else where such idiotic laws doesn't exist. Problem solved.


About the coding... There is NOTHING in this site that involves more than avarage code understanding. Any avarage programmer would be able to handle it unless it's really coded so idiotic way as they make it sound. (I once asked to change one menu option which had bug on mobile devices and they couldn't do it because "it would take hours to fix". I would have done that in 5 minute without ever before even seing the code)

The site is horrible simple at the moment. It lacks even the basic features that all the (functionally) similar sites has.


Daniel, I'm sorry to hear you got brainwashed and are now spokeman of this new, oh so great and perfect, B corporation.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:07 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:16 pm from Beyoglu, Turkey
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:22 pm from Beyoglu, Turkey
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 4:22 pm by from Uitikon, Switzerland (Permalink)
Excuses, excuses, excuses ......

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 6:13 pm from Barcelona, Spain
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 6:19 pm from Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 6:31 pm by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
Obviously.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:14 pm from Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:28 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
Hey Sandra!!! :))

Nice to see you here!

I absolutely agree! I also feel trapped... Let's see what happens...

Sunny greeting!

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:30 pm from Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:34 pm by from Uitikon, Switzerland (Permalink)
Maybe we could start a peaceful petition? :)

http://www.avaaz.org/en/

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:46 pm by from Bucharest, Romania (Permalink)
My dear dear dear surfers,


First of all, I'm happy I'm not the only one who's outraged about all these mutations...and I started screaming OUT AND LOUD any way I could about this.

We just finished now another 3 h call with Casey and I'm more chilled!!! Not because of what he told us, but because I realize that things are different now and we just cannot have what we had back! Not just like that, kicking and screaming :)

I will try to post more and research more to offer alternatives to the "facts" that were presented by Casey, when they said they had no other options!
But I need time and a calm mind to do that...

Until that, keep ur senses and DO NOT LEAVE THIS BOAT! We are all needed to work together here!!!

PEACE AND LOVE AND POWER OF FREE SPIRITS...
(... NOT of dirty corporatist money!!!
cause as far as I see it, all money in the world is dirty - no matter how "noble" the cause !!! )

From Romania/ Prague
Anca

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:53 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
Did he explain that there were $7.6 Millon worth of venture capital reasons why we can't go back to being a non-profit?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nicoleperlroth/2011/08/24/non-profit-couchsurfing-raises-millions-in-funding/

Its pretty clear to me that CS was started and has been run on a lie. Its not a lie that I want to be part of, and I'm not about to start offering free accommodation so that venture capitalists can make a profit from my goodwill.

Whatever reasons they come up with - the obvious blinding truth is that the "founders" of CS saw a great big wad of cash, worked out with their lawyers that they could become a corporate, and took it.

CS is a community - that community is free to move. Its time to pack up and find (or make) a better couch.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 7:57 pm from Ballarat, Australia
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:02 pm by from Wellington, New Zealand (Permalink)
If you love something set it free, and if its truely love it will come back to you in a gold plated Merc with too many tomans and its two front teeth missing.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:10 pm by from Bucharest, Romania (Permalink)
Dears,

I got the answer from some silly user: "if u don't like how it is now...nobody forces u to stay!"

And I just thought.... I DON'T LIKE HOW THE WORLD IS NOW AND WHERE IT'S GOING EITHER....BUT WILL I LEAVE THIS PLANET???

What do u guys think? Should we surrender and pack?

I had huge hope and trust in CS...that this was the place I belonged! I will stay and work out all the ways possible and impossible to fight against MONEY!

Should we let them win? I think we're better on the inside...it's ours, we have built it...they cannot take it away from us!

I "worked hard" in building my profile...it looks nice, I don't wanna abandon all that...I'll maybe stop updating it so that they cannot make extra money because of my activities here....but I will for sure continue hosting/surfing with the same excitement!

ONE LOVE!

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:04 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:21 pm by from Vienna, Austria (Permalink)
Yes, the deal has been made. I have expressed on the site of how disappointed I am about how the change was communicated to the members. What more can I do? I'm left with the option to leave CS and delete my profile. This I won't do, because I've formed many connection over the past four years.

I also think it is naive protesting against the money involved. There was always money involved. Running a site this size costs money! There were always deals and contracts (at least since they had empoyees), so to say now, that no kind of deal and any money in the project is dirty is just very far from a sense of reality.
I wish they would have been more honest about their decision, but generally will (maybe have to) accept that it was the best solution for the site, when some more information will be released.



Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:26 pm from Barcelona, Spain
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:42 pm by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
Daniel, please don't be a chump, it's obvious that you didn't speak with Casey yourself, in which case you should copy and paste things with "I" in them, or at least give the source if you must do so.

What you are doing is spreading "first person" information from a source that none of us know where it comes from or who it is. As an self-professed academic, you should know that this behaviour is ridiculous.

Also please take a close look at Casey's blog and you will see nothing, nothing, regarding moving the company from New Hampshire and it's million dollar price tag. I'm hesitant to call it an outright lie but I have to say I find it very hard to believe, and would prefer an expert's viewpoint, not a "first person" account that appears to be much more AN ATTEMPT AT STARTING A RUMOR as opposed to informing the CS community of the facts.

One more thing. From what I notice you have no real connection to Madrid (you appear to be signed up to all the major capital cities in the world), so I would politely invite you leave our group as the only thing you seem to be doing is spreading mis-information, either purposefully or not, and I think all of us in Madrid can agree that we can do without your "assistance". I am apparently not alone in this thought, as you have received several neutral and negative references in the past two days.

No disrepect intended, please let me know if I am mistaken in any way, and please leave our Madrid community alone in the future.

Regards,

Gabriel

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:46 pm from Chicago, United States
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:44 pm by from Bucharest, Romania (Permalink)
I loath everything related to money and corporations...but I won't delete my profile...not just yet! I just think we cannot pack and start over again whenever we are challenged in life....we are not perfect and will never function within a perfect system...therefore I think by continuously improving our current systems we'll make it through!

It's like the world's countries/systems...none is perfect, but we love them and enjoy our best times in them!

Or maybe the world ends in 2012 and we'll all go to heaven anyways, hahaha!!! ;)

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 10:39 pm by from Darmstadt, Germany (Permalink)
> CS is a community - that community is free to move. Its time to pack up and find (or make) a better couch.


* * * *YES* , lets do that! restart the project as the community project it has been! somewhere else! * * *

and, I apreciate this idea:

I think is time to send some mails to New Hampsire Non Profit and ask if the one million thing is true :-)

http://nhnonprofits.org/

NH Center for Nonprofits - 84 Silk Farm Road, Suite 1 - Concord, NH 03301 Phone: 603-225-1947 - Fax: 228-5574 -

info@nhnonprofits.org


thank you all for your involvement!

mona

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:19 pm from Barcelona, Spain
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:47 pm by from Zurich, Switzerland (Permalink)
i quote what smbd in the zurich group said:

hehehe its a good laugh:

<<
Casey told me that the Couch Surfing website is now truly a technical masterpiece, and its programming source code is now so complex that only about 10% of the programmers in the market can fully understand it. So none but an expert programmer can efficiently work on its code.
>>

Anyone whose coded knows thats complete bollocks. there is no such thing as a technical masterpiece that only an elite group of supercoders can fathom. either its coded completely shit and should be thrown away and rewritten, or it is coded well and thus easy for any decent programmer to understand.
its really sad how this new corporation is just insulting our intelligence.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 8:57 pm from Tarquinia, Italy
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 9:23 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
My questions for Casey: (thanks for relaying them Davide! I hope that far larger numbers of people will be able to dialogue with Casey in the future!)

1. Will Couchsurfing publish the FULL text of their refusal letter of 501c3 status from the IRS ???

2. In communicating their refusal, what reference if any was made to the unorthodox hiring practices, late filing of financial returns, any potential evasion of employee payroll tax, unorthodox use of donated funds (eg, for ski trips to Lake Tahoe, free flights to Burning Man), and exceedingly high administration costs versus programme delivery expenditure that CS showed between 2006 and 2010?

3. How much donated money has been lost in legal fees to date?

4. If you can no longer volunteer for a B corporation what will be the future of the volunteer teams?

5.Does Casey take any personal responsibility for the failure to achieve 501c3 status? What would he say to those volunteers who donated free labour to a non-profit and now feel betrayed that investors and CS paid staff will be profiting from their labour?


Thanks!!!

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 10:51 pm by from Salt Lake City, United States (Permalink)
I hope no one is actually considering deleting, packing up and starting somewhere else, that would be a most derelict maneuver. That means they win, profit and the new school CS would never know about the old school CS. So I say we stay and let them not forget!

Ok but the ugly truth is I think it's staying for awhile what they turned it into.. that very thing we despise and what brought us here in the first place.

But this is still our community, so we rebel, we organize, we persevere and most importantly continue informing the members that are clueless of this corrupt swindle and unconscious change.

As a whole we can stop them in their tracks.
We stand and let them not forget.

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 10:55 pm from Lyon, France
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 10:58 pm from Bangkok, Thailand
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 11:01 pm by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
i agree that deleting our accounts right now isn't the best option.

but i liked the idea of posting in our couch's description that we now use BeWelcome, and so that we give preference to requests from this non-profit organization than to CS...

maybe it's a good way of starting a transition...

Posted August 28th, 2011 - 11:02 pm from Lyon, France
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 11:08 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted August 28th, 2011 - 11:52 pm by from Berlin, Germany (Permalink)
who does not try, has already lost, right? Im also in!!

one question to the poll: what was the objective of it and what are you guys putting as an answer: readyness to move to another domain? what is the best strategical step?

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:09 am by from Copenhagen, Denmark (Permalink)
He already decide and make a decision. What on earth he realize that USA is the only country in the globe to register an organization. Why he use the terminology of "Company" in his video instead of NGO.

Its a Pathetic way to tell the people that he knows what is the best interest for them.




Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:24 am by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
Portuguese: Oi Daniel Malafaia, você está tendo os seus 15 minutos de fama defendendo o indefensável. Aproveite-os.

English: Hello Daniel Malafaia, you are getting your 15 minutes of fame, defending what is indefensible. Enjoy them.

Eurico (from Rio de Janeiro)

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:28 am from Padova, Italy
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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:29 am by from Overland Park, United States (Permalink)
I agree with Babar, 200% There is noting of this like a corporation, except with the 501 (c)(3) designation in USA we can deduct mileage, legally.

Absolutely, if Casey has any Grey Matter in his noggin', it is much more of an "NGO."

Knock, knock Casey. Wake up and smell the coffee.

You financial brainiacs, the key here is to "follow the money." What is in it for Casey?

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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 9:36 pm by from Kratie, Cambodia (Permalink)
I see:


CouchSurfing Scholars


One of the steps that an organization must take when it changes its status from non-profit is to ensure that its resources at the time of conversion go to a charitable cause. We were thrilled when the government told us that rather than ask us to donate to another organization, they wanted to establish an entirely new charitable fund in our community’s name.

The CouchSurfing Cultural Exchange Fund, administered by the New Hampshire Charitable Foundation (NHCF), will give grants to support scholars, artists, activists, and community organizers in projects that advance intercultural understanding. We expect it to provide between $30,000 and $50,000 a year in grants! This money may be granted to one person or project, or may be divided into several awards, depending on the decision of the NHCF each year.

Applicants must be associated with a 501c(3) non-profit organization (such as a university, research foundation, or art institute) that operates within the US. If you are interested in applying, please contact us at csfund@couchsurfing.org with a description of your project. A member of our staff will be working to support CouchSurfers in their application process. The NHCF will be providing us with more practical details about how the fund will be awarded within the next month or two.

Of course, the majority of donations that CouchSurfing have received over the years have been put into keeping this community going strong. But we’re so pleased that in this final step we’ll be giving CouchSurfers and other people the chance to advance intercultural understanding through their own projects.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 9:37 pm by from Kratie, Cambodia (Permalink)
Your profile: Left: UP

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:24 pm from Chicago, United States
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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 2:32 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
CS isn't a sect, you aren't bound by a blood pact and you don't owe your first born child. But you should know there are alternatives :

http://www.bewelcome.org/about

I don't know much about the site aside from the about page. But just that page alone demonstrates a welcome level of transparency where Casey's corporate adviser and gurus have dropped the ball.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 3:14 pm from Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 3:21 pm by from Ottignies-Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium (Permalink)
The worse in this big change is that the decision was taken without the community... It means the "owners" of CS are not recognized as "the community" but "the creators"... If this doesn't change, (an AVAAZ petition is a good idea), then it's almost consistent to become a corporation and to sell our data, like Facebook... Shame on the lack of trust of the creators on the power of such a community. Let's save it now, if possible, or let's create another one, with well defined "community decision making". Love,

Seb

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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 4:18 pm by from Jakarta, Indonesia (Permalink)
Agree with Sébastien Meyer, its us, the community who made this platform that much big and successful. Community must be consulted before any big step.
Also I say +1 for, creating new platform, if CS will still be stated as BCorp.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 3:53 pm from Guangzhou, China
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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 4:33 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"CS isn't a sect".

No, C$ is not a sect, it's just a cult.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 9:53 pm from Duesseldorf, Germany
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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 4:11 pm by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
Nice to know Daniel. Then you simply were brainwashed as expected.

As we have pointed out, very little you wrote makes any sense. You really should go trhough your own text and have a moment and actually think about the facts, or the lies in this case.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 4:24 pm from Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted August 31st, 2011 - 9:37 pm by from Mannheim, Germany (Permalink)
"According to Casey, the "magic number" to be achived by the CS community
worldwide is 140.000.000 members: specialists say that, onde this
number is achieved, CS will start to produce deep changes in the way the
nations of the world relate between themselves."


Is this meant seriously? Because if that is not the language of a sect then I don't know what else it is.

Posted August 31st, 2011 - 9:43 pm by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
"No ones this impressionable, dude you accounts been hijacked, change your password bro!!!"

HAHAAHAHAHA

I wish you were right...

What happened is called epiphany. He saw god. He talked to god. Now nobody can convice him that god doesn't exist. And he feels like his mission is to spread the Word!

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Posted August 29th, 2011 - 5:07 pm by from Solna, Sweden (Permalink)
If u read this old resignation from CS member, it sounds lice cult or sect. http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2009/12/01/verification-team-leader-resignation/

"These ‘core volunteers’ who live at BaseCamp or one of the collectives (mind you many may not have had a profile before becoming a ‘core volunteer’ or their profile had few references, vouches, or perhaps they hadn’t even become verified — profiles that I would be hesitant to surf/host with…) are asked to help make decisions (by voting at BC) and other important issues, but they seem not to be surfers, at all. Most seem very unwelcoming… that another someone is invading their secret society at BaseCamp. More than one person has said of BaseCamp, “they don’t seem like surfers.”

And if you’re tired of living in San Francisco, by all means, go to Costa Rica, or even to Turkey, where we can show even more appreciation to those we’ve already shown appreciation to. While “collectives” are said to be a mechanism of reaching out, most have their doors closed — except to a special few. And by the way, CS will pay you to go ‘home’ to your new house. My understanding is that to even be considered for Turkey, you’ll have had to do at least 3 hard months at BaseCamp or Costa Rica. Wow, things are hard! We’re sorry, let’s let you go to Turkey for awhile.

Many feel that the “volunteers” who live at BaseCamp are spoiled and self-righteous. Many also feel that they do not represent CS well, as many do not seem to be “surfers” at all. Many also realize that nepotism helps you to secure a spot. It’s been stated over and over that “who you know” has no bearing on who is ‘invited’ to live at BaseCamp. I don’t think so. Mrs. Gadget has housing and a position. Jim’s girlfriend has housing and a job. *Please NOTE that I have NOTHING against neither Ms. Gadget nor CaseyAnn personally.* A former house manager was a friend of TTT’s (so it’s been reported).

And not just housing, by the way. We’ll also give you a job! And a title, perhaps. Let’s not worry if you know nothing about Human Resources, Volunteer Coordination, or have no accounting background. Many members and Ambassadors also believe that it helps someone secure BaseCamp status by returning sexual favors. At least you have the rooms/space set up for it.

I’ve never been to a non-profit’s headquarters where there were rooms specifically for sexual encounters. And it comes with anal beads, mind you. Don’t get me wrong… I am a Sex Positive person. but when positions and housing and food and travel are given because of this, then the word volunteer should be changed to another word, meaning the exchange of sex for cash or other tangible items. Do you think the American Red Cross has anal beads anywhere within their headquarters? I realize we are not the same, but still."

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 5:10 pm by from Solna, Sweden (Permalink)
i ment the main core of CS...not majority of hte members

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 5:30 pm by from Stoke-on-Trent, England (Permalink)
I have been a ACA and CTA for nearly 25 years now and I have never met a venture capitalist who would put money into an enterprise without execting a return and having an exit strategy in mind - usually via a sale / flotation.

Posted August 29th, 2011 - 5:35 pm by from Stoke-on-Trent, England (Permalink)
Agreed Behzad - we saw it in the removal of negative references from the profile of the LT member who had had multiple complaints of inappropriate behaviour and sexual harassment made against him by a number of members (he was a personal friend of CF - so to be expected). And now we see all the neg references on CF's profile (seemingly the only way many can make their feelings known...just as in the past) mysteriously disappearing.

Try it yourself and see...

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 4:13 am by from Hong Kong Island, China (Permalink)
No way ! Just ask each member 10$ to subscribe the CS website, and even if the third of us give the money, 10 millions $ are enough. And I'm sure we all agree about that...

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 11:14 am from Chicago, United States
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Posted August 30th, 2011 - 6:25 pm by from Stoke-on-Trent, England (Permalink)
Agreed Bwalya. Like having everything in English.

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 6:51 pm by from Chicago, United States (Permalink)
The point is that we all idealistically contributed to the upbringing of a child, feeding it, making it grow, running, breathing healthy thoughts of sharing experiences for free, for the love of people, spreading the word, etc, etc. We all drew immense pleasure from it.

Then the child grew up (becoming 3 million little cells!), and the "brains" decided it was time to make this child get a job. And they (the brain cells) joined some other "well intented" and wealthy people who are in desperate and habitual need of more money, so they (Messieurs Investors) decided "generously" to buy some make up for the child, and some new flashy jewellery, maybe a wig, and fashionable clothes.

They'll place many ads in magazines and all kinds of media, spreading the word that the body of said child is available for a price, teaching it to sing a different song, mesmerizing and attracting new cells to join its body, with new accessories, more and more layers of "attractiveness," and it will grow, it will become fat and replete with new well paying elements, bringing its new masters much needed bits and pieces of their main raison d'etre.

Why complain? Growth is good, right? At any price.

Give that child some more growth hormones! We need to make it work! Come on, lazy child, earn your keep, give back to Daddy!

Old cells die, they flake off or are otherwise transformed and leave the body, but are normally replaced by healthy one. Cancerous cells end up killing the organism.

Do you believe in the Phoenix?

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 7:07 pm from Girona, Spain
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Posted August 30th, 2011 - 7:41 pm by from Chicago, United States (Permalink)
Hastobe, I don't see the relation you draw between the use of English as a common language (practical, efficient) and the fact that Africa is underrepresented in CS, as Bwalya says, which is true. As I understand it, there's no inherent characteristic in the English language itself that justifies its being our current lingua franca; it simply grew into that position for well known historical reasons. It could just as well have been Spanish, Chinese, even Latin. Who knows, maybe in a couple of centuries we'll see English replaced; history is quirky. But I'm all for people learning multiple languages, and, yes, in that sense it's a political issue. There should be policies to promote diversity in language learning and living in different countries and cultures.

@Bwalya...On the one hand it's true that there is less CSfers travelling to and maybe fewer members resident in Africa; still, I agree with you, a couple of the CS collectives could have been organized there. I mean, if it's a matter of hunking down to write code, work on the site, etc, then it shouldn't really matter where you do it, and in fact, hosting the collectives there would be a way of supporting that continent's economy, publicizing travel there, etc. So here it's also a matter of politics, if enough people ask for it, it might get done. But that's under a democratic system, and as the present thread shows, there's little of that in CS.

Regarding the "magic number" of 140 million members or whatever, it's true, for many things there's a "critical mass" to be attained. Spread the word, get people involved. With the internet it's possible. Unfortunately "the other side" is equally doing it, massively, so it's a propaganda war of sorts. Convince enough people not to join armies or work as a mercenary, not to work in the arms industry, not to buy products or services from companies or individuals related to such industries, and you would have no wars, we would get change. That's "voting" through our purchasing power since it's the only language "they" understand, and practically the only language we have left to use. Hit them where it hurts, in their pockets. But to do that there has to be transparency. Not easy.

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 8:44 pm by from Chicago, United States (Permalink)
Hey Jorge, that's great! I agree with you, it's time to ACT.

We have to talk and get things going!

We also risk getting banned from CS for secession or treason, so I suggest we all back up our contacts, the main people on the most important threads, etc, so we can remain in contact.

For many years now I've been developing mentally and physically (that is, not just in my head! he he) two Mega-Projects, one of which is very similar to what you are talking about, that is, a crowdsourcing learning network. I'll briefly explain:

1) The Language Travel and Social Network, whereby members develop their own language learning materials and experiences, in cooperation with other members virtually and onsite. There are three phases or levels of participation. For details see:

http://www.iduran.com/en-lang.html

In a way its a mix of Couchsurfing (but for language learning and travel), Facebook, Google Docs, etc. The "couch" element could be integrated (along with CS, if they don't degrade too much), as resident members would also be potential hosts of the travelling ones.

2) A Social Development Network, as I've long wanted to do something in addition to or more radical than KIVA and M. Yunus in the sense of not just supporting the current system but working more directly to change the causes in education, environmental issues, health, etc. You can read about that here:

http://www.iduran.com/en-soc-develop.html

Both the above networks would eventually be integrated into one.

I don't believe a commercial use of the websites is incompatible with the non-profit or communal, social(istic, no, it's not a dirty word!!) concept. If we were to develop such a site, we could have the collaboration of companies (language related, hospitality, or other) who would advertise in the website, but all proceeds would go for the SOCIAL BUSINESS. No profit. Some investors might get their investment back but NO MORE, i.e., no profit for them. They are doing this ALTRUISTICALLY and for their own self-realization.

I urge everyone to read up on social business a la M.Yunus, and my links, in addition to Jorge's:

http://www.muhammadyunus.org/Social-Business/social-business/

In addition, and just in case the hard core capitalists feel threatened, or even Casey Fenton and company, these initiatives do not exclude profit maximizing companies from doing their thing. They would co-exist.

Supposedly the 501 status was difficult for CS to obtain because they did not fit into any neat IRS category, right? Well, ours would: Adult and Continuing Education, or any number of the social development things.

Let's get it going!

Posted August 30th, 2011 - 8:58 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"I suggest we all back up our contacts, the main people on the most important threads, etc, so we can remain in contact."

Any volunteers to back up threads in this group regularly?


Quick instruction for the profile backup:

1. Unroll your friend list and save the complete web page in your browser
2. Unroll your references and save the complete web page in your browser
3. Click on Edit Profile and Description and save the page in your browser
4. Click on Edit Profile and Couch and save the page in your browser
5. You can do the same with groups if you have many. For photos its more complicated but you shouldn't use CS as a photo album anyway

If you haven't done so yet, get alternative contact info from your friends and contacts.

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Posted August 31st, 2011 - 8:13 pm by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
the number of members is growing but the number of people HOSTING is not following the same rate.

Proportionally, there are less peoples offering a couch nowadays than before.

CS is getting full of freeloaders.


Posted August 31st, 2011 - 8:56 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted August 31st, 2011 - 9:30 pm by from Salt Lake City, United States (Permalink)
I can't believe Daniel you were the first one who ran around all the groups posting your immense aversion for this and after one skype chat with Casey and it's like you're hypnotize, under a spell, bewitched, or just flat out mega gullible.

No ones this impressionable, dude you accounts been hijacked, change your password bro!!!

Posted August 31st, 2011 - 10:28 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Daniel, what's going to happen first: 140 MM or you learning to spell CouchSurfing? Donations were 0.00%. 8% are verification payments. And your dream sounds more like a nightmare. Happy $pamming!

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Posted September 2nd, 2011 - 4:36 pm by from Palermo, Italy (Permalink)
who wants to buy my vouches !?
Or can/do i have to sale them on eBay ?

Posted September 1st, 2011 - 12:04 am by from Thames, New Zealand (Permalink)
You wrote:
Before Couch Surfing becoming a B Corporation, with only 8% of the members giving donations, resources were scarce - and the website would soon lack the means to sustain the community's exponential growth


8% of 3 million is a quarter million donators. If just four dollars from each of those people was used, you would have the supposed million dollars needed to pay New Hampshire.

Posted September 1st, 2011 - 12:24 am by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
Our (The Anti-C$-Corporation) goal is to reach and connect all 6,775,235,700 members of the planet Earth and do it without profiting a single cent.

Posted September 1st, 2011 - 1:01 am by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
Btw guys, help us to wipe out this spammer.

If you see him posting this kind of propaganda in group you belong to, reply to him something like above. Feel free to copy paste my text...



Posted September 1st, 2011 - 1:19 am from Berlin, Germany
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Posted September 1st, 2011 - 1:23 am by from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Permalink)
hahahaha ;)

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Posted September 1st, 2011 - 2:26 am by from Lapinlahti, Finland (Permalink)
Did they really change it?

I haven't tried out yet.

If it's true... well, what did we tell you !

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Posted September 4th, 2011 - 6:22 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Daniel Malafaia, CS critic turned CS spokesman, chief spammer, amateur accountant and prophet, still doesn't know how to spell CouchSurfing:

"Before Couch Surfing becoming a B Corporation, with only 8% of the members giving donations, resources were scarce"

Yes, 2010 revenue: only $1,946,538

Did you mean to write scarce, or scary?

Posted September 4th, 2011 - 8:08 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted September 3rd, 2011 - 9:37 am by from Gothenburg, Sweden (Permalink)
Thank you for this thread Daniel! Although I still have quite a few questions remaining, it at least answered some of them.

Posted September 3rd, 2011 - 10:49 am by from Niteroi, Brazil (Permalink)
You're welcome, THARAND.

:)

Posted September 5th, 2011 - 3:29 pm by from Saint Petersburg, Russia (Permalink)
The copy-paste seasoning of comercial spam and self-glorification you are spreading all over the discrepancy groups on behalf of your Great Leader is very nice. Thanks. However such holy job would make your ass effectively more attractive for the new executive board of adventurous cocksuckers once you learn how to spell the word CouchSurfing properly.

Afterwards and in order to contrast the prophetic good news of the Great Leader, I would also suggest you to devote some words to the non-profitable apocalypse prevented thanks to the divine vision of the Holy Great Leader. Good suck!