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Kiss groups good-bye this summer
Posted March 28th, 2013 - 7:24 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Espinoza: "So we won't be rolling back to Groups but they will remain available for everyone to use through the summer."

https://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=2125&post=14310719#post14316503

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 1:14 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 1:29 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Let's not be too hard on him. For someone who didn't graduate from college, he's not doing so badly on geography. He seems to be fixing stuff single-handedly which his four more highly educated community managers weren't able to. Let's see how he creates Palestine. I'm just afraid he'll run out of hands quickly.

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 2:11 pm from Berlin, Germany
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 2:57 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Creating a better world, one place at a time.

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 3:56 pm from London, England
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:04 pm by from Utrecht, Netherlands (Permalink)
I'll have to admit, he finally disconnected Utrecht and Amsterdam, which saves people in here a lot of useless requests.

Also good to know we have a few months to tell people in the groups about the group pages on a certain other website which cannot be named in here ;)

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:06 pm from London, England
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:08 pm by from Utrecht, Netherlands (Permalink)
"The website that cannot be named in here" sounds much better ;)

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:11 pm from London, England
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:12 pm by from Utrecht, Netherlands (Permalink)
Things that are forbidden only get more interesting ;)

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 4:50 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
Now let's not exaggerate and self-censor ourselves unnecessarily. Until further notice speech in this group is perfectly free, at least for anyone who is not a CS brand ambassador.

The moderators can probably confirm that anything can be written here which does not violate a reasonable interpretation of the terms of use or the group guidelines.

Nobody is forced to read this group, although those who don't run the risk of missing out on a lot of useful information. Posting in this group cannot be assimilated with "spam".

Furthermore, unless you are a CS ambassador sworn to exclusive loyalty, you can mention your membership in other hospitality networks such as BeWelcome.org on your profile, and you can even include a link. What they don't like and try to characterize as "commercial" is when you don't host via CS but do so via BW. Because that takes away from their commercial business.

As for the contact info for the CEO of Couchsurfing International, Inc. he has posted publically that he can be contacted at tony@couchsurfing.com. You could also go to one of his profiles and send him a message there, but that may not be his preferred contact method although in general that is the official recommendation by CS for safety reasons (the member ID which is visible in his public posts in the Ambassador Public group is SAONJFP and messages through the CS message system are send using https://www.couchsurfing.org/send_message.html?id=).

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 9:02 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Good news (ish), they have now created a 'West Bank' place page which seems to more or less designate 'Palestine'. Sadly CS appears not to have heard of the Gaza strip which now redirects to Pasay City, Philippines.

Notwithstanding this, searches for large cities like Ramallah are unfruitful, and Bethlehem redirects to some hamlet in the US. On the plus side, Jerusalem is no longer 'Tel Aviv'.


I am amused to see Tony plans an upcoming trip to the Mideast. I dare him to go to the West Bank and explain all this to some people there.

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 9:04 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
"The moderators can probably confirm that anything can be written here which does not violate a reasonable interpretation of the terms of use or the group guidelines."

Well, I can confirm we continue to support free speech here and certainly won't censor mentions of BW. I can't speak for what CSHQ will do of course. That said, they seem rather hands-off when it comes to the non-place groups.


PS I understood Tony's message to mean they are not rolling back to place groups, not that they intend to get rid of all groups.

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 9:12 pm from London, England
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Posted March 28th, 2013 - 9:30 pm by from Paris, France (Permalink)
"I understood Tony's message to mean they are not rolling back to place groups, not that they intend to get rid of all groups."

That's what the first part of the sentence says. But how can one read the second part: "they [groups] will remain available for everyone to use through the summer" other than that after summer the will or may not be available anymore?

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 9:59 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
I take Espinoza's message to mean that after the summer rush they intend to effectuate a complete migration of the site to the new Ruby-on-Rails architecture, and that the existing groups will no longer be functional.

I assume that in the same way they abandoned the city groups, they will also abandon all existing groups. Based on past performance, they will be late with these changes, and they will be done piecemeal and destructively.

If Espinoza has other intentions, he should let us know. But I doubt that he has the common human decency to do so, apparently believing that being a corporate lackey removes him from morality. Talk to us, Mr. Espinoza. I know you're reading this.

Posted March 28th, 2013 - 10:03 pm from Padova, Italy
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Posted March 29th, 2013 - 12:39 am from Birmingham, England
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Posted March 29th, 2013 - 11:14 am from Tourlaville, France
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Posted March 29th, 2013 - 1:11 pm from Zurich, Switzerland
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Posted March 29th, 2013 - 1:19 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
"Bearing in mind that the handful of people who post here tend to be agree on things and that those who, in the past, had strongly opposing views have disappeared from this forum."


That's a somewhat fair comment but those who left (in the main) chose to leave, they were not subject to sanctions from us mods. We only banned three people, all of whom deserved it, and in all cases only for one week each. The last was in December 2010.

Like most internet groups, this group has a fairly substantial floating population of posters who come and go (whether they agree or not with the opinion of the majority here). Check the archives from 1-2 years ago, the names of the most active posters will be quite different from now.

Posted March 29th, 2013 - 2:32 pm by from Dijon, France (Permalink)
One of the group moderators stated,"we continue to support free speech here."

And received the reply, "Bearing in mind that the handful of people who post here tend to be agree on things and that those who, in the past, had strongly opposing views have disappeared from this forum."

While there is nothing that is "factually"incorrect in this reply, one wonders why the author chose to imply things that are not true. Why didn't he mention that NONE of those people with opposing views were excluded from this group? Why didn't he mention that at least one of them has publicly stated this group should not be allowed to exist and that anyone who criticizes CS should be excluded from CS?

If the purpose of the comment was not to mislead people into a false sense of "equivalence", then what was it?

It is true that most of the frequent posters on this group believe that people and organizations should be responsible and honest. I'm not sure our shared views go much farther than that. It is true that those who strongly disagree with these ideas have a hard time defending their positions in any fair forum.

The most active members of this group tend to people who have invested in learning the facts about CS. It is difficult for opponents to reality to stand their own ground.


Posted April 1st, 2013 - 11:15 pm by from London, England (Permalink)
Thech chat coming out about groups now is really strange.

Interest groups will not be deleted this summer but apparently will be recreated on Rails - except the moderators will be given the chance to choose when to move over to the new version????

And apparently we will have the power to delete posts ourselves in Rails? If only I had had this for the last few years, I could have happily fed my Napoleon complex.


Anyway I'm really curious to see if they will let this group survive now....

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 4:34 am from Mainz, Germany
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 7:26 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
So you own a Blackberry?

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 8:40 am from Mainz, Germany
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Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 8:55 am by from Paris, France (Permalink)
There's the solution right there: Where can I find a maid with a device on which the CS website actually works?

Posted April 3rd, 2013 - 9:08 am from Mainz, Germany
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Posted April 5th, 2013 - 11:12 pm from Albuquerque, United States
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